Daily Bible Nugget #864, Revelation 3:12

7-21-24 Daily Bible Nugget 864 Revelation 3v12

The Nugget:

Rev 3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

The Question:

Johnnie Mack states the following in his Opening Post:

I’ve been trying to get a straight answer and can’t from my trinitarian friends who have the incredible ability to determine WHICH words of Jesus are him “speaking from his humanity” and which are him speaking from his divinity.

I’ve asked a couple of trinity buddies to explain to me the methodology they use to determine that

Every

Single

Evidence

From the Bible

From Jesus’s words

That disproves the deity of Jesus

Are

All

Somehow

To be dismissed as

Him speaking from his humanity.

For me, it seems like verses the trinity adherent doesn’t like are labeled in such a way as to justify the deity of Jesus, rather than an objective repeatable methodology.

So please please please… someone for the love of Pete, don’t dodge this question and answer by WHAT METHODOLOGY are you using to say:

Rev 3:12 (for example) is not a proof against the deity of Jesus because it’s just Jesus speaking from his humanity? HOW did you determine that if not by sheer bias?

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My Answer:

Johnnie Mack, I have explained these issues in the notes I have supplied in my digital Bible study resource available for the e-Sword Bible study software, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury (UCRT). See the notes given at Revelation 3:12 and also at John 20:17.

You ask:

“The question I’m asking is and will ask you, in Rev 3:12, is Jesus speaking from his humanity? If so, by what metric did you determine that WITHOUT a Trinitarian bias?”

Your very question shows that you may have misread the Bible and so misframe your question. Consider the fact that Jesus speaks of “my God” and “your God” but never “our God.”

Trace the Bible theme and promise for the expression “your God” from its inception in its provision in the Abrahamic Covenant at Genesis 17:7, 8 for additional insight by consulting the cross references given there in the UCRT.

The Evidence:

1. My notes on Revelation 3:12
2. My notes on John 20:17
3. My notes on Genesis 17:7, 8

The notes:

Rev 3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 3:12

overcometh. Gr. nikaō (S# G3528, Luk 11:22). Rev 3:5, See on +Rev 2:7; +Rev 2:10; +Rev 2:17; +Rev 2:26; *Rev 12:11; Rev 17:14, Psa 125:1, Gal 6:9, Eph 3:17, 1Ti 4:8, 1Jn 2:13, 14; 1Jn 4:4; 1Jn 5:4.

I will make. 1Sa 17:25.

pillar. Rev 10:1, *1Ki 7:15; *1Ki 7:21, 2Ch 3:17, Pro 9:1, Song 3:10, Isa 22:23, Jer 1:18, Eze 40:49, Mat 19:28, Gal 2:9, 1Ti 3:15, 1Pe 2:5.

the temple. or, sanctuary. Rev 7:15; Rev 11:1, 2; Rev 11:19; Rev 14:15; Rev 14:17; Rev 15:5, 6; Rev 15:8; Rev 16:1; Rev 16:17; %Rev 21:22, Ezr 9:8, *Psa 23:6; Psa 45:15; Psa 61:4; *Psa 65:4; *Psa 92:13, Eze 41:1, +Mat 23:16, Luk 2:37, *1Co 3:9; *1Co 3:16; *1Co 3:17, *>Eph 2:19, 20, 21, 22, *1Pe 2:5.

of my God. Joh 14:2.

no more out. or, never more at all go out (see JFB). FS158, +Mat 5:18. Rev 1:6; Rev 22:15, =1Ch 23:25; =1Ch 23:26, *Psa 23:6; Psa 27:4, Isa 22:23, Mat 25:10, Joh 8:35, %Heb 13:14.

I will write. *Rev 2:17; %Rev 13:16; Rev 14:1; *Rev 22:4, Exo 28:36.

upon him the name. Permanent communion with God is further expressed in terms of the widespread ethnic belief that to be ignorant of a god’s name meant inability to worship him, whereas to know that name implied the power of entering into fellowship with him (EGT). Rev 7:3; Rev 9:4; Rev 14:1; %Rev 17:5; Rev 22:4, Exo 28:30; Exo 28:36, 37, 38, +*Num 6:27, Isa 43:7; Isa 56:5, Jer 23:6, %Mar 12:16, +Joh 1:12; Joh 14:13.

of my God. The expression “my God” describes Christ’s close relationship with God the Father on a level distinct from the relationship of other humans to God, for Christ never uses the expression “our God” of Himself (as if our relationship to God were exactly the same as His to God). This is in recognition of two natures in Christ: He possesses a human nature (Php 2:7), and in this human nature He can speak of “My God”; He also possessed a divine nature at the same time and still does (Php 2:6; Col 2:9). Therefore the interpretation of the Watchtower Society of John 20:17 given so as to teach Jesus is not God and that Jehovah is greater than Jesus, and even that Jesus is not Jehovah is false (1Pe 2:3 note). Rev 3:2, +Joh 20:17.

and the name. As one of its citizens (JFB). >Eze 48:35, Php 3:20.

of the city. *Rev 21:2; *Rev 21:3; *Rev 21:10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27; Rev 22:19, Psa 48:8; Psa 87:3, 4, 5, 6, Isa 33:20; Isa 56:5; Isa 60:14, Eze 48:35, Mat 4:5, *Gal 4:26; *Gal 4:27, Php 3:20, Heb 11:8, 9, 10; Heb 11:16; Heb 11:39, 40; *Heb 12:22; Heb 13:14.

new. Gr. kainos (S# G2537, Mar 2:22 note). Not the old Jerusalem, once called “the holy city,” but having forfeited the name. Greek, “nea,” would express that it had recently come into existence; but Greek, “kaine,” that which is new and different, superseding the worn-out old Jerusalem and its polity (JFB).

Jerusalem. **Rev 21:2; **Rev 21:3; Rev 21:10, Psa 48:1, 2; Psa 48:8, 9, Eze 48:35, %Joh 1:19 g.

cometh down. Rev 21:2; Rev 21:10.

out of heaven. Gr. ouranos (S# G3772). Occurs 52 times in Revelation, always in the singular, save Rev 12:12 (CB). Isa 11:9, +*Mat 6:9, Luk 6:23, Php 3:20, 21, +*1Pe 1:4 note.

my God. +Joh 20:17.

my new name. See Rev 14:1; Rev 22:4; Isa 62:2; Isa 65:15. Contrast the name branded on the worshippers of the beast, Rev 13:16; Rev 14:11; Rev 19:20; Rev 20:4 (CB). +Rev 2:17; Rev 7:3; Rev 9:4; %Rev 13:16; %Rev 13:17; *Rev 14:1; %Rev 17:5; Rev 19:12; Rev 19:16; Rev 20:4; *Rev 22:4, Gen 32:27, 28, Exo 28:36, 37, 38, Jdg 13:18, Psa 72:17, >Isa 62:2; >Isa 65:15, Eze 48:35, Mat 1:21; Mat 1:23; Mat 11:27, %Joh 5:43; Joh 17:6, Act 11:26, 1Co 2:12; 1Co 13:12, Eph 3:15, Php 2:9, 1Jn 3:2.

MY NOTES FROM THE UCRT FOR JOHN 20:17:

Joh 20:17  Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 20:17

Touch. Present imperative, used to prohibit action in progress. FS108B15, Idiom F/S 827, “To touch” is used for detention, or for diverting from any purpose. Note: Or rather, “embrace me not,” or “cling not to me,” mē mou aptou, “Spend no more time with me now in joyful gratulations: for I am not yet immediately going to ascend to my Father—you will have several opportunities of seeing me again; but go and tell my disciples that I shall depart to my Father and your Father.” %Joh 20:27, 2Ki 4:29; 2Ki 7:9, Song 3:4, Mat 8:3; Mat 8:15; Mat 9:20, 21; Mat 9:29; *Mat 28:7; **Mat 28:9; *Mat 28:10, Luk 10:4; **Luk 24:39, 2Co 5:16, **1Jn 1:1.

for. This gives the reason for the prohibition. He afterwards allowed the women to hold Him by the feet (Mat 28:9). On this day, the morrow after the Sabbath, the high priest would be waving the sheaf of the firstfruits before the Lord (Lev 23:10, 11 note); while He, the firstfruits from the dead (1Co 15:23), would be fulfilling the type by presenting Himself before the Father (CB). The “for” may refer (1) to the whole sentence which follows, or (2) only to the first clause. In the first case the imminent, though not realized, Ascension of the Lord would be regarded as forbidding the old forms of earthly intercourse. In the second case the Ascension would be presented as the beginning and condition of a new union. The latter seems to be unquestionably the true view, and falls in with the moral circumstances of the incident (Westcott).

I am. FS96C1, +Gen 4:1.

not yet. Joh 2:4.

ascended. Luk 24:51, Act 1:2, *Heb 4:14; *Heb 4:15, 1Pe 3:22.

my Father. The most ancient authorities omit the pronoun my, reading the Father (Westcott). The difference of the paternal relation of the One Father to Christ and Christians is indicated in a very remarkable manner, where the unity of the Person is shewn by the one article common to the two clauses, and the distinctness of the relations by the repetition of the title [Father] with the proper personal pronoun (Westcott on 1Jn 1:2). Joh 2:16.

my brethren. Joh 21:23, Psa 22:22, Eze 34:31, *Mat 12:49; +*Mat 12:50; *Mat 25:40; *+Mat 28:10, *Mar 3:34, +*Luk 8:21, Rom 8:29, *Heb 2:11, 12, 13.

I ascend. FS96C7, +Mat 26:24. *Joh 13:1; *Joh 13:3; +*Joh 14:1, 2, 3; +*Joh 14:6; +*Joh 14:12; +**Joh 14:28; *Joh 16:28; Joh 17:5; Joh 17:11; Joh 17:25, Psa 16:6; Psa 24:3; *Psa 68:18; Psa 89:26, +Mar 16:19, *Luk 24:49, 50, 51, Act 1:2, *Eph 1:17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23; *Eph 4:8, 9, 10, 1Ti 3:16, 1Pe 1:3; 1Pe 3:22.

unto. Joh 7:33; Joh 14:12; Joh 14:28; Joh 16:5; Joh 16:10; Joh 16:28.

my Father. Joh 2:16; +Joh 5:17; Joh 14:19, 20; Joh 15:15; Joh 17:11; Joh 18:11, Isa 42:1, Mat 3:17, Mar 14:36, *Rom 8:29; *+Rom 15:6, 2Co 1:3; 2Co 11:31, Eph 1:3, 4, 5; Eph 3:14, 15; Eph 4:6, Heb 2:11, 1Jn 1:3, Rev 1:6.

your Father. *Joh 1:12, 13, 14, =Num 18:2, Mat 5:16; Mat 5:45; Mat 5:48; Mat 6:1; Mat 6:4; Mat 6:6; Mat 6:8; +*Mat 6:9; Mat 6:14, 15; Mat 6:18; Mat 6:26; Mat 6:32, Luk 12:30, Rom 1:7; *Rom 8:14, 15, 16, 17, 1Co 1:3, *2Co 6:18, Gal 1:4; *Gal 3:26; Gal 4:6, 7 note. Eph 1:2, Col 1:12, 1Th 3:11, *+1Jn 3:1; *+1Jn 3:2, *Rev 21:7.

my God. *Psa 22:10; Psa 31:14; Psa 45:7; Psa 63:1, Mic 5:4, Zec 11:4, Mat 27:46, %1Co 3:23; 1Co 8:6, *Eph 1:17, +*Heb 1:8; +*Heb 1:9, 2Pe 1:17, Rev 3:12.

your God. +Gen 17:7; +Gen 17:8, Psa 43:4; *Psa 48:14; Psa 103:13, *Isa 41:10, *Jer 31:1; *Jer 31:33; Jer 32:38, Eze 36:28; Eze 37:27, Dan 6:22, Hos 9:17, *Zec 13:7, 8, 9, 1Co 8:6, Eph 1:3, Php 4:19, *Heb 8:10; +*Heb 11:16, *Rev 21:3.

MY NOTES FOR GENESIS 17:8

Gen 17:8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

their God. Abrahamic Covenant provision

(20), God to be a God to Abraham’s seed as “their God” (Gen 12:2 note). +*Gen 17:7, Exo_6:7; Exo 20:2; **Exo 29:45, **+Lev 26:12; Lev 26:45, Deut 4:37; *Deut 14:2; *Deut 26:18; *Deut 29:13, +**2Sa 7:24, Psa 47:9, *Jer 11:4; Jer 24:7; **Jer 30:22; Jer 31:1; Jer 31:32, 33, Eze 11:20; Eze 14:11; Eze 34:24; Eze 34:31; Eze 36:28; Eze 37:23; Eze 48:35, Hos 2:23; Hos 8:2, Joe 2:17, *Zec 8:8; Zec 10:6; Zec 13:9, Mat 19:14, +*Mar 12:26, *Joh 20:17, Act 2:39; +*Act 3:19, 20, 21; Act 13:17, Rom 3:29, **2Co 6:16, *Heb 8:10; +*Heb 11:16, **Rev 21:3.