Praise to God for His Guidance

 

Thank you to Ken Sagely for the following from his Facebook post I read today:

Praise to God for His Guidance

Psalm 48.14 For this God is our
God forever and ever; He will be
our guide even unto death.

Proverbs 3.5-6 Trust in the Lord
with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thy own understanding. 6
In all thy ways acknowledge Him,
and he shall direct thy paths.

Psalm 37.5 Commit thy way to the Lord;
trust also in Him and He shall bring to pass.

Jeremiah 10.23 O lord, I
know that the way of man is not
in himself: it is not in man that
walketh to direct his steps.

Hebrews 13.15 By Him, therefore
let us offer the sacrifice of praise
to God continually, that is, the fruit
of our lips giving thanks to His Name.

My Comment:

There is much to be learned and encouraged by in the Bible on the subject of divine guidance. I have posted extensively about this subject here before:

Divine Guidance

 

 

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Daily Bible Nugget #714, Deuteronomy 25:13-16

The Nugget:

Deu 25:13  Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small.
Deu 25:14  Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small.
Deu 25:15  But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deu 25:16  For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God. (KJV)

Deu 25:13 Don’t try to cheat people by having two sets of weights or measures, one to get more when you are buying, and the other to give less when you are selling.
Deu 25:14 (SEE 25:13)
Deu 25:15 If you weigh and measure things honestly, the LORD your God will let you enjoy a long life in the land he is giving you.
Deu 25:16 But the LORD is disgusted with anyone who cheats or is dishonest. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

My Comment:

Statistically, mathematically, honest mistakes should happen about an equal number of times in your favor and against you.

I have noticed for the past several years that pricing mistakes in the grocery store, for example, are uniformly against my favor.

That being the case, the mistakes are not random, but intentional. Thus, I as the customer am purposely being cheated.

Most aggravating is what happens when I buy apples in bulk from a bulk food store or an apple orchard. We are almost always short-changed in this transaction. The bushel baskets are not filled to heaping full like they should be. The half-bushel bags will vary in weight from 18 to 22 pounds, most filled to the lower range. That has presented a problem when my wife has planned to make a specific quantity of apple pie filling to fill a given number of empty canning jars she has available. Because we were shorted, it looks like there will be a number of jars that remain empty.

Most people, I would guess, would consider this a small matter.

But those who have read their Bible carefully will know the Bible has much to say about this and it is not a small matter.

In very plain English, the Bible tells us that God hates cheaters:

Deuteronomy 25:16  The LORD hates people who cheat. (GNB, Good News Bible)

At one point when Jesus was enumerating the commandments, He included the commandment, “Defraud not” (Mark 10:19):

Mark 10:19  Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. (KJV, boldface emphasis added)

Now where did Jesus get the commandment, “Defraud not,” from? A little study using Bible cross references will lead to the source of this quotation in Leviticus 19:13,

Lev 19:13  Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.

Jesus has told us in equally plain language how we are to engage in business transactions with others:

Luke 6:38  Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. (KJV)

Luke 6:38 If you give to others, you will be given a full amount in return. It will be packed down, shaken together, and spilling over into your lap. The way you treat others is the way you will be treated. (CEV)

Luke 6:38  Give to others, and God will give to you. Indeed, you will receive a full measure, a generous helping, poured into your hands—all that you can hold. The measure you use for others is the one that God will use for you.” (GNB, Good News Bible)

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Daily Bible Nugget #713, Psalm 37:7

The Nugget:

Psa 37:7  Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. (KJV)

Psa 37:7  Submit thyself to the Lord, and supplicate him: fret not thyself because of him that prospers in his way, at the man that does unlawful deeds. (LXX., Brenton translation)

Psa 37:7 Be still before the LORD and wait patiently for him; fret not yourself over the one who prospers in his way, over the man who carries out evil devices! (ESV)

Psa 37:7  Surrender yourself to the LORD, and wait patiently for him. Do not be preoccupied with an evildoer who succeeds in his way when he carries out his schemes. (GW, God’s Word translation)

Psa 37:7 Be patient and trust the LORD. Don’t let it bother you when all goes well for those who do sinful things. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

Cross Reference Bible Study:

The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge:

Psalms 37:7
Rest in: Heb. Be silent to, Psa 62:1; Jos 10:12; Jon 1:11 *marg.

wait: Psa 27:14, Psa 40:1; Pro 20:22; Isa 8:17, Isa 30:15; Lam 3:25, 26; Hab 2:3; Gal 6:9; Heb 10:36, 37; Jas 5:7-11

fret: Psa 50:8, Psa 73:3-14; Jer 12:1

the man: Job 21:7-34; Ecc 5:8; Isa 10:13, 14; Dan 11:36; Rev 13:3-10

The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

Psalms 37:7
Rest in. Heb. Be silent to. William Kay notes “The silence is that of tranquil faith which abstains from fretfulness or self-vindication; not, of course, a ceasing from prayer; for prayer is the means by which this calmness of spirit is maintained. Compare the expression in Psa 143:9, ’unto Thee have I hidden;’—hidden all from man self-restrainingly, by revealing all to Thee” (Psalms with Notes, p. 119). Psa 38:13, 14, 15; Psa 42:5; Psa 46:10; Psa 62:1 mg, Psa 62:5; Psa 65:1 mg. +*Psa 94:13, Psa 143:9 mg. Exo 14:13, 14, Jos 10:12 mg. 2Ch 14:11; 2Ch 20:17, %Job 30:27, *Pro 3:5, Isa 30:15; *Isa 53:7, *Lam 3:26, Eze 24:17 mg. *Jon 1:11 mg. **Hab 2:20 mg. Rev 8:1.

wait patiently. T536. Psa 37:34, +Psa 25:3; *Psa 27:14; +Psa 39:9 (T278). Psa 40:1 mg. Psa 42:5; Psa 42:11; Psa 62:1; Psa 62:5, %1Sa 13:9, 2Ki 6:33, *Pro 20:22, Isa 8:17; *Isa 30:15; *Isa 30:18; Isa 41:1, *Lam 3:25; *Lam 3:26, Hos 12:6, Mic 7:7, *Hab 2:3, Zep 3:8, Mat 6:9; *Mat 6:10; *Mat 26:39, Luk 21:19; Luk 22:41, 42, Act 21:14, Rom 8:25; *Rom 12:12, **Gal 6:9, Heb 6:15; *Heb 10:36; Heb 10:37, Jas 1:4; +Jas 4:7 (T298). *Jas 5:7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 2Pe 1:6, Rev 2:3.

fret not. T1339. Psa 37:1; Psa 37:8, Psa 73:3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14; Psa 73:21, Pro 19:3, *Jer 12:1, Eze 24:17, Hab 1:1, 2, 3, 4.

who prospereth. Psa 37:35, Psa 17:14; Psa 49:16; Psa 73:3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12; Psa 92:7, Gen 24:42; Gen 39:2, 3; Gen 39:23, Pro 24:1, *Jer 5:27; *Jer 5:28; Jer 12:1, 2, Hab 1:13; Hab 1:16, Mal 3:15.

the man. Job 21:7; Job 21:17, Pro 3:31, *Ecc 5:8, Isa 10:13, 14, *Dan 11:36, *Rev 13:3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

wicked devices. LXX., injustice (+Ecc 5:8). Psa 10:2; Psa 10:4; Psa 21:11; Psa 139:20.

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Daily Bible Nugget #712, Luke 6:22

The Nugget:

Luk 6:22  Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.
Luk 6:23  Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. (KJV)

Luk 6:22 Blessed are you when people hate you and exclude you and denounce you, and spurn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man.
Luk 6:23 Burst into joy on that day and leap for ecstasy, for your reward will be rich in heaven; for this is the way your forefathers used to treat the prophets. (Williams NT)

Luk 6:22 God will bless you when others hate you and won’t have anything to do with you. God will bless you when people insult you and say cruel things about you, all because you are a follower of the Son of Man.
Luk 6:23 Long ago your own people did these same things to the prophets. So when this happens to you, be happy and jump for joy! You will have a great reward in heaven. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

My Comment:

If you take spiritual things seriously, if you not only read the Bible but study it, and live according to what it says, you will find from time to time that some people, even church people, will shun and exclude you from their fellowship. Should this happen to you, take heart and as Jesus said, be happy and jump for joy, for you will have a great reward in heaven.

Such a thing should not happen in a genuinely Bible-believing, Bible-obeying church. But sometimes it does. When it does happen, I suspect that group of people and sometimes even the Pastor or Elder board are not heeding Romans 15:7,

Rom 15:7  Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God. (KJV)

Rom 15:7 Therefore, practice receiving one another into full Christian fellowship, just as Christ has so received you to Himself. (Williams NT)

Rom 15:7 Honor God by accepting each other, as Christ has accepted you. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

I have thoroughly discussed Romans 15:7 and its cross references in posts found in the category “Verse by verse studies” linked at the right.

Sometimes, God may use such instances of rejection in your life, even involving non-church settings, and even personal relationships, to guide or even force you to go in an altogether different direction than you may have foreseen or planned for. This has happened to me. Do not despair, but stay committed and obedient to God and His written word in the Bible. Continue to stay close to Him!

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Amazing Grace

11-14-22 Amazing Grace

Thanks to Ken Sagely for this contribution! I saw it on Facebook this morning. There is an inspiring story behind this great hymn, a hymn written by a once slave-ship captain who was converted to Christ and was thereafter a remarkably changed man who was instrumental in England for ending the slave trade.

Amazing grace! How sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me!

I was lost, but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

The Lord’s Day

Acts 13.38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins.

John 1.29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world!

1 John 2.12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake.

Ephesians 1.6-7 To the praise of the glory of his Grace wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved: 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins ,according to the riches of his Grace;

Ephesians 2.8 For by Grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves ; it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2.5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by Grace are ye saved) v7 That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His Grace in his kindness toward us, through Christ Jesus.

Romans 6.14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law, but under Grace.

Heb 4.16 Let us come boldly unto the throne of Grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find Grace to help in time of need.

Through many dangers, toils, and snares,
I have already come;

Tis Grace that hath brought me safe this far,
And Grace will lead me home.

 

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Daily Bible Nugget #711, 1 John 5:13

The Nugget:

1Jn 5:13  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

My Comment:

1 John 5:13 is preceded by a most important context:

1Jn 5:12  He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

We need to ask of ourselves, “Do I have the Son?” when we read 1 John 5:12.

On the morning of November 7, 1953, now 69 years ago, I asked myself the equivalent of this question while I was out delivering The Detroit Shopping News, a circular that was issued twice a week. I delivered this paper to about 300 homes.

On that cloudy Saturday morning I was thinking about the many passages I had been reading from my pocket New Testament the weeks and months before. I had never before considered whether or not I “had the Son.” Although I had been attending Sunday school at Highland Park Baptist Church since my parents carried me there as an infant, I realized that morning of November 7, 1953, that I had never personally received Jesus Christ into my life (John 1:10, 11, 12).

I paused a few moments after crossing the street in the middle of the block on Lumpkin Street under a young oak tree while folding the next paper before setting it on the porch of the next home. I realized that I needed to be saved. From the Scriptures I had been reading diligently and extensively in the immediately preceding weeks I knew I needed to commit my life to the Lord Jesus Christ and trust Him alone for salvation. So I did that, right then and there.

That evening I attended with other members of the MYF, or Methodist Youth Fellowship, the monthly Holiness Youth Crusade rally at the Detroit Institute of Arts. I was to represent my local MYF youth group in a Bible quiz. I had “won” the quiz given at my local youth group at Thoburn Methodist Church. I think the Lord must have left all the smart kids home the day of that local quiz or I would not have won that local event.

The question asked of me that night at the Holiness Youth Crusade was, “True or False. The words ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved’ are found in the Gospels.” I answered, “True.”

Acts 16:30  And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

I did not win the Bulova watch.

That day was not a total loss, for earlier that day I did come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and received then and still have today the gift of eternal life.

Some churches, maybe yours, mistakenly teach that you cannot know for sure that you have eternal life until after you die.

The Bible itself clearly proclaims that you may know that you now have eternal life:

Joh 5:24  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (KJV)

Joh 5:24 Amen, amen, I say unto you that he who heareth my word and believeth him that sent me hath life everlasting: and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life. (DRB, 1899 Douay-Rheims Bible)

Joh 5:24 Truly I say to you, The man whose ears are open to my word and who has faith in him who sent me, has eternal life; he will not be judged, but has come from death into life. (Basic English Bible)

Joh 5:24  “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. (WEB, World English Bible)

Joh 5:24 I tell you for certain that everyone who hears my message and has faith in the one who sent me has eternal life and will never be condemned. They have already gone from death to life. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

Notice carefully that all these English versions and translations state that we can now in this life know that we “have eternal life,” not “maybe might have” or “won’t know until we die and go to heaven that we will have eternal life.” The Bible clearly states it is possible for you to know right now in this life that you have eternal life.

Do you know you have eternal life?

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Daily Bible Nugget #710, Psalm 37:6

The Nugget:

Psa 37:6  And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday. (KJV)

Psa 37:5  Give yourself to the LORD; trust in him, and he will help you;
Psa 37:6  he will make your righteousness shine like the noonday sun. (GNB, Good News Bible)

Psa 37:5 Let the LORD lead you and trust him to help.
Psa 37:6 Then it will be as clear as the noonday sun that you were right. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

My Comment:

The best commentary on the Bible is the Bible itself. Scripture interprets Scripture. I have found so far, after studying the Bible this way intensively for 67 years, that the best way to engage the Scripture is by carefully studying what are called cross references given for the verse I want to understand better and appreciate more. Here are the cross references I have collected in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury for Psalm 37:6,

Psalms 37:6
he shall. Psa 31:20, Gen 39:20, 21, 22, 23; Gen 41:39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, Est 6:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, Isa 54:17, Dan 6:7; Dan 6:22, Mic 7:8, 9, *Mat 13:43, *1Co 4:5.

bring forth. Psa 18:19; Psa 25:15 mg. Gen 40:4.

righteousness. Psa 4:1; Psa 4:5; Psa 7:8, 1Sa 12:4.

as the light. Psa 36:9; Psa 97:11; +Psa 112:4, Jdg 5:31, 2Sa 23:4, Est 8:16, Job 11:17; Job 22:28, Pro 4:18, Isa 58:8; Isa 58:10, Dan 12:3, Mal 3:18, Mat 5:14; Mat 5:16; Mat 13:43, Luk 16:8, Joh 12:36, Eph 5:8, Php 2:15, 1Th 5:5.

judgment. or, vindication. Some read vindications here, thus, the Plural of Majesty (+Gen 4:10), signifying thy complete vindication. Psa 37:28; Psa 37:30, Psa 1:5; Psa 7:6, 1Ti 5:25.

noonday. Psa 55:17; Psa 91:6, Job 11:17.

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Correctly Understanding John 17:3

The Nugget:

Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (KJV)

Joh 17:3 Now eternal life means knowing you as the only true God and knowing Jesus your messenger as Christ. (Williams NT)

Joh 17:3 Eternal life is to know you, the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

My Comment:

I have spent a good portion of last month spending quality time studying John 17:3. This is a most important verse. It is often used by false cults and religions to support the anti-Trinitarian views of Unitarianism, Islam, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and others. In my studies of this text I carefully surveyed over 1,300 scholarly works in my Logos library as well as print volumes I have in my personal library that are not in Logos. Out of all these resources I found about three that carefully explain this text. I read these three extra carefully more than once but did not use them in my discussion below.

To understand this verse more deeply, I simply went directly to the text and carefully considered its immediate, its near, its related, and its distant context. I have carefully taken into account the nuances of the underlying Greek text by expressing them in plain English.

If you read my discussions below with care, you will be equipped, as never before, to explain, discuss, and defend the correct interpretation of this passage in context.

This is a very long post (13 pages, 4561 words), but if you read to learn, I believe you will see how to do apologetics effectively and you will learn how to follow the Rules of Interpretation I have championed here as given in the October, 2010 Archives listed on the right-hand side of the page.

10-24-22 Correctly Understanding John 17v3

The Muslim Claim:

Christians say that Jesus came to give eternal life, so what is the eternal life he is coming to give !??

Let’s see from Jesus’s own words

John 5:24

Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

John 17:3

Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

In both verses Jesus is declaring with no doubt and with no parables nor symbolic words that the eternal life is to believe in the almighty God in heaven who have sent Jesus

Jesus’s mission was only to tell the Jew to recognize the almighty God as the only true God and recognize himself (Jesus) as God’s messenger

This is the eternal life that we Muslims accepted while Christians did not

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My Response:

Jesus was sent on behalf of the whole world, not just the Jews. John 3:16 would tell you that. “For God so loved the world,” one of the best known verses in the Bible.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This declaration is not a message limited to the Jews but a message that declares God’s love for mankind as a whole, as reflected by what is stated in Titus 3:4.

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

Muslim Reply:

Jesus with his own tongue said he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel

Who in the world are you Mr big lie to believe you and call Jesus liar !!!!!!

My Response:

It is obvious from your comment that you have not carefully read or studied enough of the message of the New Testament to properly understand it. You cannot base a belief by cherry-picking one statement in the New Testament taken out of context and in total disregard of what the rest of the New Testament and the Bible as a whole teaches about the issue you have raised.

Muslim Reply:

See

It is obvious you are idiot and ignorant

Are you happy now !?

How dare you to judge or decide if I read or understand!?

Because I don’t have the fake nonsense conclusions you made about the Bible so you consider me don’t understand!??

Who told you are underestimating it correctly !? Who gave you the authority to judge me idiot !???

Hey Mr

I am not cherry picking

Explain those verse I shared

Explain John 17:3

1- The speaker : Jesus

2- To whom he speaks ! God almighty you call him father

3- The declaration made in the sentence : God almighty is the only true God and Jesus the speaker is his messenger

What cherry picking !? Cherry picking your @ss

My Reply:

And just what does John 17:3 have to do with supporting your initial assertion that Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Let me offer some help to your proper understanding of this verse. Here are my notes as given in my Bible study resource titled The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

but unto. or, except to. Gr. ei mē. Jesus did not always limit or restrict his ministry to none but the Jews. He also ministered to Gentiles as here. He healed the centurion’s servant (Mat 8:13); He declared his Messiahship to the Samaritan woman at the well (Joh 4:25, 26), and as a result of her vibrant testimony Jesus was asked by the townspeople of the Samaritan city of Sychar to stay two more days with them, which he did, and many of them believed (Joh 4:42). When Jesus healed the ten lepers, one of them was a Samaritan, the only one who returned to give thanks (Luk 17:11, 12; Luk 17:15, 16). Christ’s directive (Mat 10:5, 6) that his disciples minister only to the lost sheep of Israel and not enter into any city of the Samaritans nor go in the way of the Gentiles was clearly a directive for that immediate mission, and does not mark a permanent policy of the ministry of Christ that limited His work only to the Jews. It is most clear that Christ came to save the world, not merely the lost sheep of the house of Israel, for He commanded that His Gospel be proclaimed to every creature (Mat 28:19; Mar 16:15; Luk 24:27; Joh 1:29; Joh 3:16; Joh 4:42; Act 1:8; 1Jn 2:2). This accords precisely with what was prophesied of the Messiah (Isa 49:6; Act 13:47; Act 26:23).

 

Muslim Response:

Second of all

How dare you fabricate the Bible and say Jesus is begotten son

All modern translations through this word away as fabrication

Begotten mean sexual reproduction

Did you God sleep with Mary

My Response:

Your objection is nonsense. Once again you are demonstrating your lack of knowledge about what the terms in the text of the New Testament mean.

Let me help you reach a clearer understanding of John 3:16 by sharing with you from my Bible study resource, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury, with special reference to the term “begotten”:

begotten. Gr. monogenes, S# G3439, +Luk 7:12, lit. the only one of a family, unique of its kind. Monogenes, applied to Jesus, expresses the unique and eternal relationship of the Son to the Father. As firstborn does not mean born first (Col 1:15 note), neither does only begotten imply a begetting, birth, or origin in time. In His pre-existence, Jesus was always uniquely the Son of God (Psa 2:7, +*Isa 9:6, Heb 1:8). When used of Christ, only begotten speaks of “unoriginated relationship.” Only begotten “indicates that as the Son of God He was the sole representative of the Being and character of the One who sent Him” (Vine, Expository Dictionary, vol. 3, p. 140). It is a word picture which portrays the relationship of the Father to the Son in the terms of a Middle Eastern patriarchal family (**Gen 21:12; Gen 22:2; Gen 22:12; Gen 22:16, Heb 11:17). Isaac, termed Abraham’s only begotten son (Heb 11:17), though Abraham had a prior son Ishmael by Hagar (Gen 16:15) and later sons by Keturah (Gen 25:1, 2, 3, 4, 1Ch 1:32, 33), sustains a unique relationship to Abraham as the son of promise (Gal 4:23). The same picture, portrayed in parable (Mat 21:37), emphasizes the unique authority of Jesus as sent by the Father (Joh 20:21, 1Jn 4:9), and our responsibility to receive the truth declared by Him (Joh 1:14; Joh 1:18; Joh 3:18, Mat 17:5). Pro 8:24, Col 1:15, Heb 1:6; Heb 11:17, %1Jn 5:18.

Muslim Response:

Helllooooo

I am discussing John 17:3

Why you are running  away like c-ward when it comes to explain John 17:3 !??

Why you are going to demonstrate your stupidity and disrespectfulness by leaving the main topic John 17:3 and going to other verses

FYI, all new translations through away the word begotten as it is fabrication and manipulation

I won’t be distracted as you want and leave the main topic John 17:3

Answer the questions, in John 17:3

Who is speaking !!

To whom he is speaking !?

What is the topic he is speaking about !?

My Reply:

You have brought up a very interesting and important verse!

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (KJV)

Joh 17:3 Now eternal life means knowing you as the only true God and knowing Jesus your messenger as Christ. (Williams NT)

You ask:

(1) Who is speaking?

My answer: Our Lord Jesus Christ

(2) To whom is he speaking?

My answer: God the Father, as determined by the near context of John 17:1.

Joh 17:1 When Jesus had said all these things, He lifted His eyes to heaven and said: “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that He may glorify you,

(3) What is the topic he is speaking about?

My answer: As determined by the immediate context, Jesus is speaking about the fact that the Father has given him authority over all mankind to give eternal life to all the Father has given him:

Joh 17:2 just as you have given Him authority over all mankind to give eternal life to all whom you have given Him.

Joh 17:3 Now eternal life means knowing you as the only true God and knowing Jesus your messenger as Christ.

The emphasis is upon the fact that we must continue to know both the Father and the Son in a personal way by having a continuing and growing or developing personal relationship with them both.

Muslim Response:

You lied

3- what is the topic

You answered about giving authority and blah balh which is not mentioned in the verse

The verse is so clear, Jesus spoke to God the father in heaven admitting that the eternal life is to recognize him God the father as the only true God and to recognize Jesus as his messenger

Why you lie !!!!!!!!

My Reply:

You seem to be very clever at using ad hominem attacks but you surely have not responded to what I have clearly written in direct answer to your question.

To properly understand John 17:3 you must take into account the immediate context which is John 17:2.

I cited John 17:2 for you:

Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. (KJV)

Joh 17:2 just as you have given Him authority over all mankind to give eternal life to all whom you have given Him. (Williams NT)

You questioned “about giving authority” “which is not mentioned in the verse.” If you had read my answer to you more carefully you would have noticed that “authority” is directly mentioned in John 17:2.

Very clearly, to understand John 17:3 you must take into account the context where it occurs. As a careful interpreter I did just that by quoting John 17:2.

For those who know how to read, the emphasis in John 17:3 is continuing and growing in our knowledge and personal relationship with both the Father and the Son in order to have eternal life.

Muslim Reply:

I am not discussing 17:2

I asked clear question and you Jew running away from the answer like c-ward

What was Jesus telling the father in Johan 17:3

Give a direct answer

My Response:

It would help if you would learn how to read and understand what I have carefully written.

Jesus was not “telling the Father” anything like what you suppose. Jesus was affirming the authority that God the Father had exclusively given him, and in this prayer Jesus was praying that the Father would glorify His Son, that He, His Son, may glorify the Father:

Joh 17:1 When Jesus had said all these things, He lifted His eyes to heaven and said: “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that He may glorify you,

It is you who asked “about giving authority”! I politely answered your question by referring you to the immediate context of John 17:3 by citing John 17:2.

Joh 17:2 just as you have given Him authority over all mankind to give eternal life to all whom you have given Him.

You cannot correctly understand what is stated in John 17:3 if you ignore the context.

If that is how you go about interpreting the Bible, then you could justify citing any number of verses or parts of verses together with some rather remarkable results:

The Bible says, “Judas went and hanged himself.” Matthew 27:5

Jesus said, “Go and do thou likewise.” Luke 10:37

Jesus said, “And what thou doest, do quickly.” John 13:27

This illustrates in a memorable way the principle that you must obey the Rules of Interpretation to arrive at a correct interpretation of any Bible verse or subject. The rule of interpretation in this case is to always consider any verse in the light of its context.

Joh 17:3 Now eternal life means knowing you as the only true God and knowing Jesus your messenger as Christ.

Jesus is telling us that in order to receive the eternal life that only He has been authorized to give to mankind, you must continue your whole life to know in a personal way by means of having and maintaining a growing personal relationship with both God the Father and His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

That is the message and the focus of John 17:3. If you choose to disregard this message, you will end up where you most certainly would not wish to go.

Muslim Response:

Nothing in 17:1 nor 2 says what you conclude falsely

Why you are running from explaining 17:3 and resort to 17:1 and 2

John 17:1

When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You.

He is asking God the Father to glorify him (as a reward for fulfilling his mission) because Jesus glorified God on earth and he praised his name among his people

What in this will make Jesus equal to God??

I am glorifying God on earth and every believer Glorifies God too, so what ?????

John 17:2

For You granted Him authority over all people so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him.

Every prophet had authority from God over his people, so what ???

Jesus got authority from God, so God is the source of authority the giver and Jesus is the receiver of authority from God because he is weak with no authority to fulfill a specified mission which is giving people eternal life.

So Jesus we may ask you what is the eternal life that you got authority from God to give to your people ? Jesus answered in John 17:3

John 17:3

Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

the eternal life that Jesus god the authority from God to give his people is to believe in the only true God the Father (with no partners), and to believe in Jesus his messenger who got the authority from God.

So what hallucinations you are making ??????

The verses is so simple and so direct and you are just twisting them to force your false belief coming from pastors in your church.

My Response:

None of the former prophets ever asked God the Father to glorify them but Jesus did:

Joh 17:1 When Jesus had said all these things, He lifted His eyes to heaven and said: “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that He may glorify you,

None of the prophets make the stupendous claim that Jesus makes when Jesus said in His prayer:

Joh 17:5 So now, Father, glorify me up there in your presence just as you did before the world existed.

None of the prophets were given authority over all mankind to give them eternal life but Jesus alone has been given this authority:

Joh 17:2 just as you have given Him authority over all mankind to give eternal life to all whom you have given Him.

Jesus spoke of this authority earlier during His earthly ministry:

Matthew 11:27

27 “My Father has given me all things. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Good News Bible

Jesus defines just what is eternal life and how to receive it when he declares:

Joh 17:3 Now eternal life means knowing you as the only true God and knowing Jesus your messenger as Christ.

So the question we all individually must answer is, do we know the Lord Jesus Christ in a personal way and are we continuing to grow in our knowledge and fellowship with Him and His Father who is the only true God?

The grammar and logic of John 17:3 forbid the notion that Jesus is denying His own Deity to affirm that His Father is the only true God, as you very mistakenly assume and assert.

Your presumed understanding of John 17:3 fails to explain the meaning of this text in the light of the flow of thought in its immediate context. Simply put, you have misunderstood this text by taking it out of context, a very flagrant error in that you have violated the most important rule of interpretation–not to take a text out of context, and falsely arrived at a meaning it does not possess.

Muslim Response:

You will just argue with baseless conclusions using other verses while you deny the simple clear words Jesus said

Because you don’t believe in him as he said but as your pastors taught you how to twist the verses to prove their false doctrine

My Reply:

If you carefully read what I have shared with you about how to correctly understand John 17:3 you may learn some things about how to properly interpret the Bible that you did not know before.

And no, I am not repeating what my pastors taught me about this verse or the Bible. For the most part, thousands of pastors around the world are learning from me how to better understand and interpret the Bible.

I have not been arguing using baseless conclusions. You and many who may believe as you do are the ones failing to obey the Rules of Interpretation and so as a result are misunderstanding what the Bible teaches, and specifically, what Jesus meant when He said what He did in John 17:3.

I hope you will carefully rethink how you are misrepresenting what Jesus said when you take His words out of context and think you understand them correctly.

So the question we all individually must answer is, do we know and have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ in a personal way and are we continuing to grow in our knowledge and fellowship with Him and His Father who is the only true God?

The grammar and logic of John 17:3 forbid the notion that Jesus is denying His own Deity to affirm that His Father is the only true God, as you very mistakenly assume and assert.

Thank you for continuing this discussion.

Muslim Reply:

Yes you are

1- repeating what pastors taught

2- arguing with baseless conclusions

3- don’t need to read carefully for your twisted conclusions why !?

Because Jesus explained and declared the meaning in clear specific wordings that need no baseless twisted maniac conclusions you have been taught to desperately prove that Jesus is partner with God in a desperate trial to prove your polytheism

My Response:

You state that I am:

1. repeating what pastors taught

If I am, I did not get my understanding of John 17 from them. I have never heard a pastor teach or preach about John 17, and especially John 17:3, with the depth and precision that I have shared about this verse for you.

But if it were actually true that there are pastors teaching what I have explained about John 17:3, I am glad to learn there are others who understand how to interpret the Bible accurately and share what they find.

2. arguing with baseless conclusions

I would appreciate you being more specific about how I have mistakenly arrived at baseless conclusions. To do so, you would need to cite my argument and specify the logical or doctrinal flaw you identified. You would need to show that I have misread the context. You will note carefully that your interpretation violates the rule of immediate, near, and remote or total Bible context, whereas my interpretation does not do so.

3. presenting twisted conclusions that you do not need to read carefully

When it comes to Scripture Twisting, your misunderstanding and misuse of John 17:3 is an example of one of the most notable to be found anywhere.

You and those who may mistakenly agree with you are guilty of false accusation when you claim “you have been taught to desperately prove that Jesus is partner with God in a desperate trial to prove your polytheism.”

The very terminology you use to express this reeks with Muslim falsehood in an attempt to misrepresent what the Bible explicitly teaches in the very context of John 17:3, and you know it.

Here is the text in question:

Joh 17:1 When Jesus had said all these things, He lifted His eyes to heaven and said: “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that He may glorify you,

Note that in His prayer Jesus directly claims to be God’s Son, a truth you deny.

Joh 17:2 just as you have given Him authority over all mankind to give eternal life to all whom you have given Him.

Note that Jesus acknowledges that God has given him exclusive authority over all mankind to give eternal life to those God has given him.

Joh 17:3 Now eternal life means knowing you as the only true God and knowing Jesus your messenger as Christ.

Those God has given Jesus, to whom Jesus gives eternal life, are those who “are knowing you as the only true God,” the English word “knowing” representing the tense of the underlying Greek word which signifies to continue to know in a deeper way as a result of continuing fellowship and personal relationship to God through knowing our Lord Jesus Christ as the unique and only Son of God sent to us as God’s Messiah or Christ.

Notice Jesus did not say “knowing you as the only true Father,” but “as the only true God.” The reference to “only true God” specifies God in contrast to all other false gods and idols, as is John’s usage in the remote context found in 1 John 5:20, 21,

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us insight to recognize the True One; and we are in union with the True One through His Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
1Jn 5:21 Dear children, once for all put yourselves beyond the reach of idols.

Joh 17:4 I have glorified you down here upon the earth by completing the work which you have given me to do.

Jesus asserts that he has glorified God here on earth by completing the work God gave him to do.

Joh 17:5 So now, Father, glorify me up there in your presence just as you did before the world existed.

Jesus has always existed with God from before the creation of the world, and prays that the glory he had then in God’s presence would continue as it did then.

Muslim Response (10-24-22):

John 17:1

He is praying to his God to glorify him as he glorified God by calling people to believe in Gid

17:2

He is admitting that the authority have been given to him by God the giver the almighty and he Jesus is just weak person receiver

17:3

The eternal life is to believe in the only true God the father in heaven and believe in his messenger Jesus

17:4

Jesus confess and admit he finalized his duty which calling people to believe in God, No crucifix not killing or ransom or this pagan belief

 

My Response (10-25-22):

Zeyad Ahmed Thank you for sharing your understanding of John 17:3 and its immediate context.

THE TEXT (John 17:1):

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Your Explanation:

He is praying to his God to glorify him as he glorified God by calling people to believe in God

My Questions for You:

1. What is “the hour” that has come?

2. Jesus prayed that He might be glorified. To what does this clearly future glorification refer?

3. How will Jesus the Son glorify God his Father?

THE TEXT (John 17:2):

Joh 17:2  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Your Explanation:

He is admitting that the authority have been given to him by God the giver the almighty and he Jesus is just weak person receiver

My Questions for You:

1. What authority or power has Jesus been given by the Father?

2. Over whom or what has Jesus been given this power or authority?

3. On what basis do you claim “Jesus is just a weak person receiver”?

THE TEXT (John 17:3):

Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Your Explanation:

The eternal life is to believe in the only true God the father in heaven and believe in his messenger Jesus

My Questions for You:

1. Where do you get “believe” when the text says “know”?

2. What does this verse say we must do to have eternal life?

3. Why does Jesus specifically state we must know “the only true God” instead of saying “the only true God the Father”?

THE TEXT (John 17:4):

Joh 17:4  I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Your Explanation:

Jesus confess and admit he finalized his duty which calling people to believe in God, No crucifix not killing or ransom or this pagan belief

My Questions for You:

1. Did Jesus only call people to believe in God when the text states “know thee the only true God AND know Jesus Christ whom thou [God] has sent”?

2. What, according to Jesus, was the work God gave him to do?

3. Jesus stated God has given him authority “over all flesh” or people (John 17:2), so on what basis do you in your Opening Post limit this authority exclusively to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”?

THE TEXT (John 17:5):

Joh 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Your Explanation:

You did not address this important text which is a vital part of the context of John 17:3. I invite your explanation of this verse.

My Questions for You:

1. In this part of the prayer of Jesus, what does Jesus ask the Father to do?

2. How could Jesus claim to have had glory with God the Father “before the world was”?

3. What relationship to the Father did Jesus have in the time frame referred to by the expression “before the world was”?

Thank you for sharing your insights about these eternally important matters. Thank you for continuing this peaceful discussion. I already have been learning more about what the Bible teaches in response to your comments, questions, and challenges.

 

LINK:

(12) Christianity and Islam Friendly Debate | Christians say that Jesus came to give eternal life, so what is the eternal life he is coming to give | Facebook

 

 

 

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Daily Bible Nugget #709, Romans 8:1

The Nugget:

Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

My Comment:

I am sharing below a Facebook post by Ken Sagely I read today, who has been far more prolific in his postings day by day than I have been!

11-1-22 Ken Sagely

Lord’s Day

Romans 5.1 Therefore being Justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

All Praise to Him Who Reigns Above in Majesty Supreme,
Who gave His Son to die, That He might redeem!

Blessed be the name, Blessed be the name,
Blessed be the name of the Lord.
Blessed be the name, Blessed be the name,
Blessed be the name of the Lord.

1Corinthians 1.30 But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.

Philippians 1.6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Colossians 2.9-10 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And you are complete in Him, which is the head of all principality and power.

Hebrews 7.25 Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.

1John 3.2 Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and it doth appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear. we shall be like Him: for we shall see Him as He is.

Psalm 56.13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt thou not deliver my feet from falling that I may walk before God in the land of the living?

John 10.28 And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

His name above all names shall stand, Exalted more and more,
At God the Father’s own right hand, Where angel hosts adore,

Blessed be the name, blessed be the name, Blessed be the name of the Lord.

Revelation 7.12 Saying, Amen, Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might be unto our God forever and ever.

 

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Atheist Claims About Bible Interpretation Refuted

The Atheist Challenge:

“I understand a man of your caliber have trouble with honesty & simple basic truth. Just plead the fifth.”

The moment that you say that the Bible needs to be “interpreted” you have already lost the debate. Is there an ultimate authority here on earth telling you how to interpret the Bible? No.

This means that what the Bible says depends on the whims of the person interpreting the Bible.

My Response (10-22-22, “5 days ago on 10-27-22):

There are well-known Rules of Interpretation that are very helpful as guides to reaching or confirming what is a correct interpretation.

The “whims of the person interpreting the Bible” is not the basis for determining what the Bible says or means.

You probably cannot read any written text without in some sense interpreting what you have read should it be that you suppose you understand it.

When two interpretations differ, it is possible to determine whether one is right and another wrong, or they both are wrong, but if the two interpretations are contradictory, they cannot both be right.

 

Atheist Reply (10-24-22):

Jerome Smith there is no logic , when speaking about Religious cults. To believe in this type of utter lunacy you have no reasoning , and lack the mental capacity to understand magical characters with magical powers never have existed in our reality. Ft or example this picture lmao .You believe these things are real and that is a lie

My Reply (4 days ago on 10-27-22, or 10-23-22):

It is clear that your mind is made up already and not open to reason, logic, and evidence or open to learning anything new about the Bible.

So much for your implied claim of superior knowledge of the Bible manifest or implied by your posting on a site named “Christians do you REALLY know your Bible.”

Of course, if you have such a closed mind, you can hardly claim to really know your Bible!

To suppose that the Bible is composed merely of iron age superstitions, ideologies, and mythology reveals the height of your ignorance about the Bible.

 

Atheist Reply (10-22-22, 5d ago on 10-27-22):

If you have to interpret the Bible , that means each person can perceive any understand there gullible mind manifest, why does the alleged word of God need to be interpreted .If is all true ? You truly sound ridiculous & not well .

My Reply (5d ago on 10-27-22, thus 10-22-22):

Apparently you did not read with care and understanding what I wrote below:

“You probably cannot read any written text without in some sense interpreting what you have read should it be that you suppose you understand it.

“When two interpretations differ, it is possible to determine whether one is right and another wrong, or they both are wrong, but if the two interpretations are contradictory, they cannot both be right.”

Am I to suppose from your responses to my comments that you do not know how to properly interpret what you have read?

It may be that each person who reads the Bible sometimes comes to an interpretation of it that differs from what the text actually says.

If the person is sincerely reading the text with the intent of understanding it correctly, further actual study and re-reading of the text will lead them to a more accurate understanding.

The Bible is a self-explanatory Book, and a self-correcting Book such that sincere and careful readers will discover that if they misunderstand what the Bible says in one place, the misunderstanding will be corrected when that misunderstanding contradicts what the Bible teaches more clearly for the reader in another place in its text.

Atheist Reply (4d ago on 10-27-22, thus 10-23-22):

Being black& knowing my cultures history ,It’s greatness , before Europeans found civilization, Your cult is white supremacy existed and has no relevance to us Educated, conscious Nubian people. We not suffering from post traumatic slave syndrome. Your rhetoric , is plantation programming. Wrong Black Man

My Response (3d ago on 10-27-22, thus 10-24-22):

All you are doing by posting such memes as you have above is further demonstrating your lack of knowledge about the Bible.

You have drifted far astray of your Opening Post, which shows you are unable to defend or rationally discuss the issue of your OP, or demonstrate any knowledge of what is involved in Bible interpretation.

Atheist Reply (3d ago on 10—27-22, thus 10-24-22)

You sound ignorant.

You sound stupid , if gods word is perfect , you take it as is because what your saying is the word isn’t perfect if it has to be interpreted & each will interpret it according to there own understanding , what you saying Jerome smith is ridiculous

Your cult means nothing & is a lie made up. History has proven that

My Response (10-27-22):

Apparently you have never read or better, studied with care, any of the works of K. Kitchen, such as The Reliability of the Old Testament. So much for any claim you might make that history has proven the Bible to be a lie.

Before making such wild and meaningless claims you would be helped by learning more about the subject first.

 

Atheist Response to me (3d ago on 10-27-22, thus 10-24-22):

[In a meme:] “If you can’t take faith to court as evidence of something is true/then what makes you think having faith in something makes it real? Can you tell the judge you have faith that a person is the murderer because God  told you so?”

My Reply (10-27-22):

And who makes the claim of taking “faith” to court as “evidence”?

Once again you demonstrate your lack of knowledge about the Bible and the evidence that supports its truth and validity.

You would be greatly helped if you read with care the book by Simon Greenleaf, The Testimony of the Evangelists. You surely would learn a thing or two from Greenleaf on the subject of evidence.

More recently, Mark Lanier, another legal expert, has written a book titled Christianity on Trial and another book titled Atheism on Trial.

Yet another pertinent title written by Eric Metaxas, Is Atheism Dead? contains enough evidence to show you are very mistaken about these matters.

Atheist Response (from 3d ago as of 10-27-22, thus 10-24-22):

Jerome all messed up lies lol

My response (10-27-22):

It is clear that you have little to no knowledge about the subject of Bible interpretation.

Many years ago the first Christian book that I bought about the Bible was a book by Milton S. Terry, titled Biblical Hermeneutics.

I studied it carefully. I read it through three times while I was still in high school where I was enrolled in the Electrical Curriculum, studying to become an electrician. I subsequently went to work for Michigan Bell Telephone Company as a generator room operator.

The book is about 700 pages long and very informative.

That is where I started in my careful study of this subject.

I continue to study this subject. So it might be that I know more about interpreting the Bible than you do.

Atheist Response (3d ago on 10-27-22, thus 10-24-22):

Jerome smith your dense & incapable of under standing reality and your post reflect how twisted , sick and uneducated you are.I will nolonger engage you either , This Black MAN dosent deal with republican , evangelical , racist & bigots & elec deniers , or trump supporters . Ill post but ignore you & you brainwashed bullshit.

My Response (10-27-22):

I see you have given up on discussing the subject of Bible interpretation. Thank you for your interaction on and mostly off this subject. I don’t ignore anyone myself, but always welcome further interaction and discussion based on solid scholarship and careful reasoning.

So much for your support of the implied claim beneath this site’s title, “Christians do you REALLY know your Bible.”

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