Daily Bible Nugget #839, Micah 5:2

Posted on April 26, 2024 by Jerry

 

The Nugget:

Micah 5:2  But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The Challenge: 

You have provided an interesting list of Bible verses to consider. To label them as “translation errors” is hardly warranted.

This example is rather ironic:

8. Micah 5:2 – “But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel…” The translation of this prophecy affects Christian understanding of Jesus’ birthplace and his messianic role.

It is ironic because in the New Testament record this verse is quoted by the scribes and Pharisees who understood from this very Scripture where the Messiah must be born (see Matthew 2:6 and John 7:52). That is hardly a Christian understanding at the time because there were no Christians yet when this happened, so the interpretation is originally Jewish.

Furthermore, when the whole verse (Micah 5:2) is cited, it reveals that the Person of the Messiah has existed for eternity past, which proves His Deity: “whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Mic 5:2  But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

A study of the cross references given most extensively in my book The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and my expansion of that resource in digital form titled The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury will confirm the teaching of this verse.

I just now did a search of my Real Bible Study site and discovered I have discussed Micah 5:2 there only once and that very briefly at the following link:

The Deity of Jesus Christ proven from Scripture: Part 3

I will now remedy that and write a new post which includes the cross references for Micah 5:2 from my digital resource, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury, so that everyone who wishes can access them freely.

Dig Deeper by Studying the Cross References from The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury for Micah 5:2 which are as follows:

Micah 5:2
But thou. >Mat 2:6, >Joh 7:42.

Bethlehem. T1888, +Jos 19:15. Jdg 12:8; %Jdg 17:7, $Mat 2:1; $Mat 2:6, $Luk 2:4, 5, 6, Joh 7:42, Heb 7:14.

Ephratah. Gen 35:16; Gen 35:19; +Gen 48:7, Ephrath. Jos 12:9 note. +Rth 1:2; Rth 4:11, 1Sa 17:12, +1Ch 2:50; +1Ch 2:51; +1Ch 2:54; 1Ch 4:4, Psa 132:6.

little. Jdg 6:15, 1Co 1:27, 28, 29.

among. 1Sa 10:19; 1Sa 23:23.

thousands. +Exo 18:21; +Exo 18:25 <rp. Num 1:16, Deut 1:15, +Jos 22:21, Jdg 6:15; Jdg 12:6 mg, note. Jdg 15:15 note. 1Sa 6:19 note. 1Sa 8:12; 1Sa 10:19; 1Sa 17:18; 1Sa 23:23, 1Ki 20:30 note. 1Ch 12:20; 1Ch 15:25; 1Ch 27:1.

of Judah. Deut 33:7, +1Ch 5:2, %+Psa 60:7, $Mat 2:6, $Heb 7:14, $Rev 5:5.

yet. Isa 11:1; Isa 53:2, Eze 17:22, 23, 24, *Amos 9:11, Luk 2:4, 5, 6, 7, 1Co 1:27, 28.

out of thee. Num 24:19, Isa 11:1, Joh 7:27.

shall he. Psa 23:1; Psa 78:71, Jer 23:4, Zec 13:7, Act 13:32; Act 26:6, Heb 5:5.

come forth. Jer 33:14, Eze 21:27, Dan 9:25, %*Zec 9:9; Zec 12:8, Mat 11:3; Mat 21:5, Luk 2:6; Luk 7:19; +**Luk 24:27, Joh 1:45, Gal 4:4, =1Th 4:16.

that is. +*Gen 49:10, 1Ch 5:2, +*Isa 9:6; +*Isa 9:7, +*Jer 23:5; +*Jer 23:6, Eze 34:23, 24; Eze 37:22, 23, 24, 25, *Zec 9:9, Mat 28:18, +**Luk 1:31, 32, 33; Luk 23:2; Luk 23:38, Joh 19:14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 1Ti 3:16, Rev 19:16.

ruler. 1Ch 11:2, Psa 28:9, Isa 55:4, Jer 30:9; Jer 30:21, Eze 37:24, **Joh 1:49, +*Act 2:30; =Act 7:35; +*Act 10:36, *Rom 9:5, Col 1:20, 1Ti 1:17.

in Israel. +*Act 1:6.

whose goings forth. +Gen 22:15 note. *Psa 90:2; Psa 102:25, 26, 27, *Pro 8:22; *Pro 8:23, +*Joh 1:1-3; **Joh 8:58, *Col 1:17, +*Heb 13:8, *1Jn 1:1; *1Jn 1:2, *Rev 1:11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18; Rev 2:8; Rev 21:6.

from. *Psa 55:19; Psa 93:2, Isa 43:13, Dan 7:9, Joh 1:15; +*Joh 8:58.

of old. Heb. kedem, +S# H6924. Always used of the past; rendered (1) ever, Pro 8:23, (2) eternal, Deut 33:27, (3) everlasting, **Hab 1:12, (4) old, Neh 12:46, Psa 44:1; Psa 55:19; Psa 68:33; Psa 74:2; Psa 77:5; Psa 77:11; Psa 78:2; Psa 119:152; Psa 143:5, Jer 46:26, Lam 1:7; Lam 2:17, Mic 7:20, (5) ancient, Deut 33:15, 2Ki 19:25, Isa 19:11; Isa 23:7; Isa 37:26; Isa 45:21; Isa 46:10; Isa 51:9, (6) past, Job 29:2, (7) aforetime, Jer 30:20, (8) before, Psa 139:5, Pro 8:22.

from. T76-3, Psa 72:17. Pro 8:22, 23, 24, +*Joh 1:1; +*Joh 1:2; +*Joh 8:35; +*Joh 8:58; *Joh 17:5, *1Jn 1:1; *1Jn 1:2, +*Rev 1:8; +*Rev 1:17.

everlasting. or, the days of eternity. Heb. olam, +Gen 17:7. FS22D4B, +Dan 7:9. Mic 7:14, Deut 33:27, **Psa 90:2; Psa 93:2, *Pro 8:22; *Pro 8:23, Isa 57:15, Hab 1:12, *Joh 1:1; *Joh 1:2; **Joh 6:54 note. Rom 16:26, Php 2:6, 1Pe 1:20, Rev 1:4.

Symbol Explanation:
* clear verse
**important reference, don’t miss
+ find more here
> verse quoted in the Bible at this reference
= Bible type: a person, action, rite, institution that prefigures a NT truth
or Italicized or indicates an alternative translation provided by KJV translators
FS Figure of speech reference
T Topic Number Index reference
<rp Reference to Pentateuch
S# Strong Number as given in the lexicons at the back of Strong’s Concordance
$  Fulfilled Prophecy
mg margin reading

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How to Scorch the Critics

Posted on April 25, 2024 by Jerry

 

4-25-24 How to Scorch the Critics

The Texts:

John 21:24  This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

John 19:35  And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

1 John 1:1  That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

The Challenge (Who Wrote the Gospel of John):

Gospel of John: Unmasking its True Author

The Gospel of John stands as a pivotal component of the Christian New Testament, deeply influential in both theological discourse and spiritual guidance. Traditionally, this Gospel has been attributed to John the Apostle, one of Jesus Christ’s original disciples.

However, modern biblical scholarship raises compelling arguments against this attribution, focusing primarily on linguistic style, theological content, and historical context. This post delves into these aspects, presenting a case for reconsidering the authorship of this profound religious text.

  1. Linguistic and Literary Style

The Gospel of John is markedly different in style and vocabulary from the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke). While the Synoptics share a considerable amount of material and present a narrative in a relatively straightforward manner, John’s Gospel is more symbolic and uses a higher level of Greek, not just in terms of vocabulary but also in its philosophical undertones. This suggests a different authorship. For instance, the use of the term “Logos” or “Word” in the opening verses introduces a concept that aligns more closely with Hellenistic Jewish and Greek philosophical ideas than with the simpler narrative style of the Synoptic Gospels.

  1. Theological Distinctiveness

John’s Gospel contains theological themes and Christological insights not present in the other Gospels. The depiction of Jesus in John is more abstract and divine from the very beginning—emphasized through declarations like “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). This high Christology contrasts sharply with the more humanized portrayals in the Synoptic Gospels, suggesting a later development in the understanding of Jesus’ nature, which likely evolved after the lifetime of the original apostles.

  1. Historical and Contextual Clues

The context and content of John’s Gospel also suggest a later authorship. For example, the detailed knowledge of Jewish rituals and the geographical specifics of Jerusalem imply a familiarity that aligns more with a resident or a frequent visitor to the area, potentially after the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE—long after the death of John the Apostle, if traditional timelines are maintained. Moreover, the text’s references to the expulsion of Christians from synagogues (“They will put you out of the synagogues”; John 16:2) likely refer to events that occurred around 85-90 CE, further pointing to a composition date that is decades after the Apostle John would have lived.

  1. External Attributions and Early Church Testimonies

While early church tradition ascribes the Gospel to John the Apostle, it is essential to note that these attributions come from later church fathers like Irenaeus in the late 2nd century. The lack of contemporary evidence linking John the Apostle directly to the text, and the reliance on second-generation testimonies, calls into question the reliability of these attributions. It’s possible that the ascription was influenced more by ecclesiastical politics or a desire to anchor the text’s authority in apostolic foundations than by factual history.

Conclusion

Considering the linguistic, theological, and contextual differences, along with the historical timing of the Gospel’s themes and ecclesiastical attributions, it becomes increasingly plausible that the Gospel of John was not authored by John the Apostle but by a later figure or community deeply versed in both Jewish and Hellenistic philosophical traditions.

 

The Critics Proven Wrong:

If you have personally carefully read the Gospel of John for yourself you would know that the claims of unbelieving critics are not at all well founded.

John wrote his Gospel after the synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke had been written. John wrote to preserve the record of what our Lord Jesus Christ did and taught, and John did not repeat in his account what was already written in the other Gospel records.

The 27 primary source First Century documents included in the New Testament are historical, and by definition were not written at a later time by anonymous writers in the name of a famous apostle of Christ. The Christians who first received the New Testament writings were most careful not to include any writings whose apostolic source was in doubt. The Apostle Paul alludes to this issue when a spurious writing claiming to be from Paul was firmly rejected by Paul himself as mentioned in the second chapter of 2 Thessalonians.

For those who have read and studied the Gospel of John at length for themselves as I have done, there are internal evidences that demonstrate that only John, the beloved disciple, could have written it. I have noticed that John was a good eavesdropper. He reports carefully what others in the crowds surrounding Jesus are saying. When you read carefully enough, you learn from John’s Gospel that there are certain family relationships revealed that reveal why and how John knew what he did about what was going on.

The references John makes to local landmarks, to sociological conditions, to the conflicting religious parties, and his knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures, a knowledge far superior to the knowledge of either the contemporary Pharisees or Sadducees, absolutely confirms that only John could be the author of the Gospel of John.

John inserts some sly humor that pokes fun at the ignorance of the Pharisees of their own Scriptures when he reports:

Joh 7:40  Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.
Joh 7:41  Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
Joh 7:42  Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
Joh 7:43  So there was a division among the people because of him.
Joh 7:44  And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him.
Joh 7:45  Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
Joh 7:46  The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
Joh 7:47  Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?
Joh 7:48  Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?
Joh 7:49  But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.
Joh 7:50  Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,)
Joh 7:51  Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?

Notice how the above text from John illustrates how carefully John listened to what was being said by the people in the crowds around him.

Now notice how John carefully reports the response of the Jewish leadership to Nicodemus:

Joh 7:52  They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.

Careful readers who actually know their Bibles will get the humor and irony of the “put down” this comment John reports for it demonstrates the ignorance of the scribes and Pharisees and the Sadducees of Jesus’s day of their own Scriptures:

John 7:52 is a very good example of the fact that the scribes, Pharisees, and chief priests DID NOT obey or follow the principle underlying my Rule 5 of my Rules of Interpretation.

Rule 5 states (as given in the Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury):

(5) Interpret a particular passage in harmony with all other passages which may have a bearing upon the subject. All relevant evidence must be taken into account to arrive at the correct interpretation.

These rules are listed at 2Pe 1:20.

Expanding my notes for John 7:52 (as given on my Real Bible Study site):

If they had looked, they would have found that Jonah and Hosea arose out of Galilee, and perhaps Elijah, Elisha, and Amos (CB). See Isa 9:2 where the Messiah as the great light arises in all likelihood out of Galilee (Isa 9:1).

The scribes and Pharisees were unaware of the geography of their own country!

The facts as given incidentally in the Bible do confirm that Jonah, Hosea, Elijah, Elisha, and Amos arose out of Galilee. The way to ferret this information out from the Bible is to follow carefully the cross references given in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury.

For Elijah, referred to as “Elijah the Tishbite,” see the references and notes given at 1 Kings 17:1,
the Tishbite. i.e. captivity; recourse, *S# H8664. 1Ki 21:17. 1Ki 21:28. 2Ki 1:3. 2Ki 1:8. 2Ki 9:36. From Tishbe, a city of Naphtali in Galilee (Young). +*Joh 7:52.

For Jonah, see the references and notes given at 2Ki 14:25,

2Ki 14:25 He restored the coast of Israel from the entering of Hamath unto the sea of the plain, according to the word of the LORD God of Israel, which he spake by the hand of his servant Jonah, the son of Amittai, the prophet, which was of Gathhepher.

Jonah. i.e. a dove. +Jon 1:1, Mat 12:39, 40; Mat 16:4, Jonas.
Amittai. i.e. true, steadfast. *S# H573: 2Ki 14:25, Jon 1:1.
Gath-hepher. i.e. wine-press of the well. S# H1662. Jos 19:13, Gittah-hepher. +*Joh 7:52, In Zebulun, in Galilee.

For Micah, see the references and notes given at Micah 1:1,

Mic 1:1  The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem.
Micah. i.e. who is like Jehovah?

(2) The sixth of the minor prophets, a native of Moresheth-gath, west of Jerusalem, in Gath. Thus Micah is one of several prophets who did come out of Galilee (%Joh 7:52). He was a contemporary of Isaiah, and prophesied during the reigns of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, B.C. 750-698.

Morasthite. Micah is one of several prophets who did come out of Galilee (%Joh 7:52), as did Jonah (Jon 1:1 note), Hosea, and probably Elijah, Elisha, and Amos. Mic 1:14, +Jer 26:18.
It seems ironic that the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’s day were not more aware of at least these examples found in their own Hebrew Scriptures of prophets who did arise out of Galilee.

Maybe I should cut them a little slack, though. They had to read and search through Bible books scroll by scroll. They could not have imagined back then anything like the instantaneous search results we can now get for our Bible studies using digital resources.

It turns out that Nahum is also of Galilee.

Nah 1:1  The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.

Nahum. i.e. comforted, *S# H5151.
Elkoshite. i.e. God my bow, i.e. defense; of the gathered of God, *S# H512. From a town in Galilee (Young). A dweller in Elkosh, which Jerome says was a village of Galilee (%Joh 7:52).

I found it interesting that the city name “Capernaum” means “village of comfort” or “village of Nahum” (Mat 4:13).

All this evidence that there were quite a few prophets who arose from Galilee suggests to me that the Pharisees with their counter-claim against Nicodemus may have “stuck their foot in their mouth.” Or, as I sometimes state, they did not do their homework first!

Quite obviously, the Pharisees themselves failed to search the Scriptures carefully enough, the point of Rule 5 of my Rules of Interpretation.

Jesus commanded us to “Search the Scriptures.”

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Earth Day

Posted on April 22, 2024 by Jerry

 

4-22-24 Earth Day

Proverbs and Quotations:

“Striving to better, oft we mar what’s well.”  Shakespeare, King Lear I.iv.

My Comment:

Today is marked on my calendar as “Earth Day.”

I remember posting an appropriate proverb or quotation many years ago that seemed appropriate for my classes. I can’t find the quotation I used then. I’ll have to search for it in my lesson plans and use it another year. The Shakespeare quotation above will serve the  purpose in the interim.

I have been lately reading several books about the subject of worldview. Worldviews are the underlying philosophies that frame our thinking and belief systems, systems most of us are unaware of.

“Earth Day” belongs to a worldview that is incompatible with a Christian or Biblical worldview.

Perhaps most who acknowledge “Earth Day” also think highly of environmentalists and believe in “climate change,” and think climate is affected by human activity. They are concerned about carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and think this is a harmful byproduct of human activity and cow flatulence. They are concerned about “carbon footprints,” and want everyone to cut back on eating red meats. Some even speak of eating bugs and owning nothing as if this were an admirable goal. They also believe in evolution and think there are too many humans on our planet. They also believe in the viability of electric cars but at the same time think we can power our electric grid using windmills and solar panels. All this is puerile nonsense, believed by those who failed to pay much attention in physics class.

Last year for more than a month the skies here were so darkened by smoke from Canadian wildfires that our tomato garden failed miserably to grow and bear fruit. To add insult to injury, we had too much rain after that so that other gardeners in our immediate area lost their vegetable crops due to rotting in the field.

I suspect the Canadian wildfires resulted from mismanagement of the forests, mismanagement that was likely based upon the mistaken whims of environmentalists whose ideas are not based on genuine science or proper forest management. It is obvious that such mismanagement resulted in releasing into our atmosphere far more pollutants than legitimate human activity normally would. The unusual amount of rain may have resulted from “climate engineering,” also “solar management,” evidence for which is plainly visible for those who make the effort to look up to the sky to see those lines drawn by very silent airplanes whose so-called “chemtrails” remain in the  sky far longer than any exhaust seen from normal airplanes. This climate engineering is designed to reduce the amount of sunlight that reaches the surface of the earth to reduce global warming.

There are a number of Bible passages that may relate to these issues:

Revelation 11:18

18  And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
King James Version

Jeremiah 51:25

25  Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.
King James Version

Matthew 24:22

22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
King James Version

Mark 13:20

20  And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
King James Version

Ecclesiastes 1:4

4  One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
King James Version

2 Peter 3:7

7  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
King James Version

Be careful not to disdain what the Bible teaches. It is never safe to bet against the Bible!

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Is the claim Jesus is God the teaching of Jesus or Paul?

Posted on April 21, 2024 by Jerry

The Text:

1Pe 3:15 but in your hearts be consecrated to Christ as Lord, and always be ready to make your defense to anyone who asks a reason for the hope you have. But you must do it in gentleness and reverence, (Williams NT)

My Comment:

All of us need to learn to be better witnesses to our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. These days we do not need to become missionaries overseas. Many people either overseas or who come from overseas are within our circle of influence. I have found many opportunities on the Internet to share what the Bible teaches to people of other faiths from all over the world.

I share the following interchange I have lately had with a former Christian who is now a Muslim if I correctly understand his testimony.

The challenge:

I have a liitle challenge to any learned christian here.

Prove me that i am wrong.

Once we put a vital argument that Jesus never claim as God unequivocally,and all his followers knew it very well.Most deluded claim christian apologist will refute it according to Paul, the murderer and false apostle.

Using bogus books

Romans

Ephisians

Hebrew

Chorintians etc.

Is that Jesus words and teaching or Pauls ministry and the deceiver?

Compare it here.

John 4:19, 25-26 (KJV) The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

 

My Response:

Since Messianic Bible prophecy in the Old Testament predicts and declares the deity of the Messiah in passages our Lord Jesus Christ Himself quoted as found in the record contained in the four Gospels, it is not necessary to depend on the writings of Paul to establish the doctrine of the Deity of Christ.

Opening Post (OP) Author Response to Me:

let us accept the fact even all four gospels had many self contradictory. Pertaining to the so called divinity. Just try to notice most of the words coming from Jesus is more vital to oppose it. Yes outside of it Paul elevated him into something, Aside the most developed in the book of john that can never be find in 3 synoptic gospels. And mostly from the OT the jews never had such knowledge that the messia or christ is pertaining to God, unless to a jews who converted in christianity.

My Reply:

You are correct when you assert:

“And mostly from the OT the jews never had such knowledge that the messia or christ is pertaining to God …”

Isaiah in a passage quoted by our Lord Jesus Christ supplies a clue as to why this was so:

Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

God has been very careful to respect the freedom of the will of every person. He does not force us to believe the truth by providing overwhelmingly irrefutable or undeniable evidence such that it would be impossible for anyone to not believe what He has revealed in nature (Psalm 19:1-6) or in His written word (Psalm 19:7-14) in the Bible.

Only those who have an open mind and heart to truth are able to receive the abundant truth He has provided in His written word, the Bible.

Those who do not have an open mind and heart are unwilling to receive the truth of God’s Word but instead resist, deny, contradict, and even attempt to suppress the truth.

The synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) are just as clear and forthright in their witness to the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ as is the Gospel of John if you read them carefully.

 

OP Author Gives His Testimony of How He as a Christian Became a Muslim:

that is the common excuses of every christian,and far more worst to accuse us we dont have spirit to understand everything which no one can understand the mystery but those who have the spirit.But to tell you honestly sir.

No any christian can say that we dont ask the spirit every time we pray and read the bible.Let me give you my self as an example.

We all knew that all of us were born as a Roman Catholic and influence by the church. But when the missionary conquer us we are more become active in the scripture. We tend to be more develop to be literate reading the bible .When i became a born again christian we knew for the fact how the church is being corrupted.

that is why we become more guided in scripture to understand. And yes all claim christian are relying more on that spirit.

I FOUGHT FOR hard to defend the christian taeching,even when id worked in Saudi i secretly preach the bible. That is how i risk my life in the name of bible and Jesus.

But we knew for the fact we have many question at back of our mind, Somethings that the message of Jesus are so few and it always incomplete and will follow by the narration of almost 3rd persons. Which is contardictory to the words of Jesus.

Like the common criticism when Jesus uttered my God My God why you have forsaken me?? That is one of the many questionable remarks of Jesus. And even my family sometimes ask me things .They thought Jesus is God why he called for another God??

Same the famous tiktok of a young child when he reading that Jesus as when he grow God nourished him with knowledege???

See even a young and pure mind do understand things.Which an adult will always denied as he already doctrinated or manipulated.That is why it is difficult to argue when a person are more theological than academic which logic is always at hand.

Ma sha allah! With out Islam the world has no any option to see the truth but just to stay in christian world with endless contradiction about historical Jesus.

It is happened even the time of Jesus ministry. That is why there are tons of theological view about Jesus.

Name it you will find it.

You have the claim monotheistic belief, dualism, trinitarianism, modalism, etch. It defend who is majority and in power he will become the claim orthodox. But it will not die in our generation. Even some of hereticals view are being murdered and outnumber. Still they are coming back and representing as different denonination. That is why Ma sha allah.I am proud to be a Muslim. Jesus still lives in me as my great prophet the messiah who submitted to God of Abraham as we believe as a muslim. That is a very safe side as we can still see in many biblical verse a very strong argument that no one can deny. Oh by the why why i explain my past life as a christian?

Just to prove if you are right and Jesus is God, He betrayed me. When i follow him sincerely when i was taught by the church. I never commited such sinfull way when i am a christian. Dont say because i am weak. remember our christian song. Let the weak say i am strong.

My Response:

Thank you for sharing some of your spiritual history.

You raise some interesting and very important questions in your comment.

For example, you mention that even a young child wondered about “when he reading that Jesus as when he grow God nourished him with knowledege???”

That question may be related to what is said in Luke 2:52,

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

This passage teaches us that Jesus was truly human, and increased in knowledge and maturity with His increasing age just like the rest of us do.

The writer of the book of Hebrews references this fact about our Lord Jesus Christ when he wrote:

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The question about the words on the cross that Jesus spoke, a quotation from Psalm 22:1,

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?”

as recorded in Matthew 27:46,

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

I have carefully explained in my notes for Matthew 27:46 in my digital reference work, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury.

I have posted that information on my Real Bible Study site at the following link:

https://www.realbiblestudy.com/?p=2433

 

Author’s Reply to Me:

Yes sir, but still we are very clear how the trinitarian defending it. When we ask them if Jesus the man died, is God died too? And of course every trinitarian will say no! his body died but his divinity of being God will never and did not die. That is why the kid is right: if he is truly God in flesh why he should be nourished by other God? That is why trinitarian is a paradox argument. It will never stand. But to accept just a believer.

My Reply:

As for the question about “if Jesus the man died, did God die too?” one of several valid explanations would be that the Bible teaches that bodies may and do die but souls or spirits never die.

False cults and mistaken religions refuse to accept the fact that the Bible reveals to careful readers by the Rule of Necessary Inference that our Lord Jesus Christ possessed two natures in His one Person: a divine nature and a human nature.

Understanding this FACT about the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ clarifies our understanding about Who our Lord Jesus Christ is and what He has accomplished for those who believe by His death on the cross for us.

Author’s Reply to Me:

it is just plain notion that will never ever be the truth when we will ask Jesus and all his followers. People that time knew him very well and who and what is God that very distorted when we are going to ask christian..

Here a very simple with no mystery.

God is. A spirit and not a man like Jesus.

John 4:24 (KJV) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Aside from the very own chapter and story.

JESUS AFFIRMED WHO HE IS.

BASE FROM THE UNDERSTANDING OF A WOMAN, AS IT IS BEING PROPHECIES SINCE FROM THEIR FOREFATHER.

John 4:19, 25-26 (KJV) The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

As simple as that no such mystery no hokus pokus…sorry all your notion is false and our argument wil stay firm as long as we follow Jesus own words.

 

My Reply:

Did you notice in the very text of New Testament Holy Scripture that when the woman at the well spoke of her faith in a coming Messiah that Jesus told her, as you correctly quoted, “I that speak unto thee am he.”

The Hebrew Scriptures, our Old Testament, teach the Deity of the Messiah.

Peter makes this clear by what he writes when he states:

Pe 2:1 Stop being hateful! Quit trying to fool people, and start being sincere. Don’t be jealous or say cruel things about others.

1Pe 2:2 Be like newborn babies who are thirsty for the pure spiritual milk that will help you grow and be saved.

1Pe 2:3 You have already found out how good the Lord really is.

1Pe 2:4 Come to Jesus Christ. He is the living stone that people have rejected, but which God has chosen and highly honored.

1Pe 2:5 And now you are living stones that are being used to build a spiritual house. You are also a group of holy priests, and with the help of Jesus Christ you will offer sacrifices that please God.

1Pe 2:6 It is just as God says in the Scriptures, “Look! I am placing in Zion a choice and precious cornerstone. No one who has faith in that one will be disappointed.” (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

Notice especially what is stated in 1 Peter 2:3,

1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. (KJV)

This verse (1 Peter 2:3) is a quotation from Psalm 34:8,

Psalm 34:8 Oh taste and see that Jehovah is good: Blessed is the man that taketh refuge in him.
American Standard Version

Notice very carefully that Peter applies what was said of Jehovah in the Old Testament to Jesus.

I have found 19 examples where the New Testament writers have applied to Jesus what was written in the Old Testament about Jehovah.

This is also seen in the narrative found in Acts 11:20, 21,

Act 11:20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

Act 11:21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord. (KJV)

Notice that in Acts 11:21 Luke uses the Old Testament phrase, “the hand of the Lord” (see Exodus 9:3). “It was proof of God’s approval of their course in preaching the Lord Jesus to Greeks (A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures, vol. 3, p. 157).”

When Luke writes at the end of Acts 11:21 that a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord,” “”Lord” refers to “the Lord Jesus,” as in verse 20 (Act 11:20), though “the hand of the Lord” is the hand of Jehovah, clearly showing that the early disciples put Jesus on a par with Jehovah. His deity was not a late development read back into the early history (A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures, vol. 3, p. 157).”

 

OP Author Reply to Me:

sir it is not the proper way to study scripture.First the author of John is not peter.The story of Peter doesn know how christ met the woman.

 

My Reply to OP Author:

I am sorry that you did not understand what I wrote in my comment.

I would kindly ask that you try to read it again.

I said nothing about the author of John being Peter.

When you write that “the story of Peter doesn’t know how Christ met the woman,” you may also be misunderstanding what John wrote in the fourth chapter of the Gospel of John.

As for what is the proper way to study Scripture, I may have far more experience than you may have about how to study the Scripture. I am most happy to encourage and help you understand more about how to do real Bible study.

 

 

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Daily Bible Nugget #838, John 8:56

Posted on April 12, 2024 by Jerry

 

3-31-24 Daily Bible Nugget 838 John 8v56

The Nugget:

John 8:56  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

The Challenge Answered:

Abe San You make the claim or statement above:

“Abraham saw Jesus according to your NT? Is there any passage in the OT confirming this fantastic claim of Jesus? None.
How can we then trust that claim?”

Since it is our Lord Jesus Christ who made the claim, to dispute the claim is to call the Lord Jesus Christ a liar.

I suggest you go back and think about how far off you must be in your thinking to ever state or write a claim like that.

I have meticulously studied every verse in the Bible and its cross references. My judgment is that the claim Jesus made is absolutely correct and is confirmed by the passages in the Old Testament or the Hebrew Scriptures to which He refers.

Jesus identified the problem and reason for the unbelief of the Jewish leaders of His day. Jesus told them that had they believed Moses, they would have believed Him, because Moses wrote of Jesus (John 5:46).

John 5:46  For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jesus also stated that they failed to search the Scriptures, stating that the Scriptures testified of Him (John 5:39).

John 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

The way to find the Biblical answer which demonstrates the truth of the claim Jesus made in John 8:56 is to do a proper search of the Scriptures yourself.

To make the task easier for everyone, I have spent well over five decades collecting cross references from scholarly sources and placing them all in my published Bible study resources, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and the greatly extended and more complete digital resource, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury. I share these cross references on my Real Bible Study site. The site has a search feature. Place the verse reference “John 8:56” in the search box to see if I have posted the cross references for that verse. If I have not done so yet, leave a comment requesting that I post those references and I will do so.

My Comment:

I have followed my own advice today (Friday, April 12, 2024) and searched this site for John 8:56. It turns out I have not written about John 8:56 here before.

To Dig Deeper, Study the Cross References from The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury for John 8:56 as I have shared them below:

John 8:56
father. FS171G, +Gen 13:8, Rom 4:1.

Abraham. Joh 8:33; Joh 8:39, 40; Joh 8:53, Mal 2:10, Act 7:2.

rejoiced. or, leaped for joy. Gr. agalliaō (S# G21). Joh 5:35, Gen 15:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6; Gen 17:17; Gen 17:19; *Gen 22:13; *Gen 22:14; *Gen 22:18, Mat 13:17, Luk 2:28, 29, 30; Luk 10:24, Rom 4:18, 19, 20, 21, 22, *Gal 3:7, 8, 9; *Gal 3:14, 14, 16, 17, 18, Heb 11:13; Heb 11:39, 40, 1Pe 1:10, 11, 12.

to see. Joh 6:40, Mat 23:39, Luk 17:22, Heb 12:2; Heb 13:8.

my day. *Gen 18:14, Mat 13:17, *1Co 2:8.

he saw. Joh 1:3, **Gen 17:1, +**Gen 18:1, +*Exo 6:3, Act 7:38, +*Rev 1:8; Rev 15:3.

and was glad. or, rejoiced. Gr. chairō. Joh 3:29.

Note that for the key words “he saw” I added the new reference to +**Gen 18:1. At that reference in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury I have given more cross references which demonstrate that Abraham saw and talked with Jesus in His pre-incarnate form. The point is that no man has ever seen God (John 1:18. John 4:24). In the Old Testament when individuals are reported as seeing God, they are actually seeing our Lord Jesus Christ who appeared to them as God, as Jehovah, and as the Angel of the Lord.

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Daily Bible Nugget #837, Ephesians 1:13

Posted on March 31, 2024 by Jerry

 

The Nugget:

Eph 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (KJV)

Eph 1:12 that we who had first put our hope in Christ might praise His glory.
Eph 1:13 You too, as you have heard the message of the truth, the good news that means your salvation, and as you have trusted in Him too, have been stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit,
Eph 1:14 who is the first installment of our inheritance, so that we may finally come into full possession of the prize of redemption, and praise His glory for it. (Williams NT)

Eph 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, (ESV)

Eph 1:13 Christ also brought you the truth, which is the good news about how you can be saved. You put your faith in Christ and were given the promised Holy Spirit to show that you belong to God. (CEV)

My Comment:

I made the following response this Easter morning to a comment by a devout and sincere Roman Catholic who wrote of the contrasting views about salvation held by the Roman Catholic Church as compared to those of Protestants. My comment is intended to show there is a great contrast between Roman Catholicism’s view of salvation and how to receive it compared to what the Bible itself teaches:

There are things in your comment that are held to be true by the Roman Catholic Church but are not found in the Bible and are not in accord with what is found in the Bible.

First, the notion of “penance” is not taught in the Bible but is the result of a historic mistranslation of the underlying inspired Greek New Testament text of a word which should be rendered “repent.” Modern English Bible translations have corrected this error.

Second, the notion that grace is dispensed by the Roman Catholic Church by means of its Sacraments is a concept not taught in Scripture, but an error sometimes given the label “sacerdotalism.”

Third, the notion that ritual water baptism has any saving grace whatsoever is foreign to Scripture. It may be the result of a mistaken interpretation of John 3:5.

Nevertheless, I am most thankful that the Roman Catholic Church has maintained and does affirm and teach the Deity of Christ and the Doctrine of the Trinity, both of which most certainly are taught in the Bible.

Dig Deeper by Studying the Cross References given in the Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury for Ephesians 1:13,

Ephesians 1:13
ye also. **Eph 2:1; **Eph 2:11; **Eph 2:12, *Col 1:21, 22, 23, +*1Pe 2:10.

trusted. Eph 1:12, 2Ch 16:7, Psa 86:2; Psa 125:1, Pro 16:20, Song 8:5, Dan 3:28, Zep 3:12, Mat 12:21, Rom 15:12, Php 2:19.

after that ye heard. Eph 4:21, **+Joh 1:17, *Act 15:7; **Act 16:31; **Act 16:32, Rom 6:17; **Rom 10:14, 15, 16, 17, *Col 1:4, 5, 6; *Col 1:23, **1Th 2:13.

the word of truth. *Psa 119:43, Joh 17:17, *2Co 6:7, Gal 2:5, Col 1:5, **2Ti 2:15, *Jas 1:18, *1Pe 1:23.

the gospel. *Mar 16:15; *Mar 16:16, Act 13:38, 39; Act 15:7, +*Rom 1:16, 1Co 2:2; *1Co 15:1, 2, 3, 4, Php 1:27, +**2Ti 3:15, *Tit 2:11, **Heb 2:3, +*Jas 1:21.

of your salvation. Act 13:26.

in whom. Joh 5:23.

after that ye believed. Joh 5:24; Joh 7:39, Gal 3:2, *2Ti 1:12, 1Pe 1:8.

ye were sealed. +*Eph 4:30, Exo 28:11, Lev 14:14; Lev 14:17, *Est 8:8,
Song 4:12, Jer 32:10, +*Eze 9:4, Mat 27:66, Luk 15:22, +Joh 3:33; +*Joh 6:27, *Rom 4:11, *2Co 1:22, **2Ti 2:19, Rev 7:2, 3.

holy. +*Joel 2:28, *Luk 11:13; *Luk 24:49, *Joh 14:16; *Joh 14:17; *Joh 14:26; *Joh 15:26; Joh 16:7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, *Act 1:4; Act 2:16, 17,  18, 19, 20, 21, 22; Act 2:33; Act 9:31, Rom 5:5, Gal 3:14.

Spirit. FS121A1, +Luk 1:17 note. Rom 8:9; Rom 8:15, 16, 2Co 5:5, Gal 4:6, Php 2:1.

of promise. Eze 36:27; *Eze 37:14, *+Luk 24:49, Joh 4:14; Joh 14:16, 17; Joh 16:13, Act 1:4, Gal 3:2; Gal 3:14.

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Daily Bible Nugget #836, Isaiah 53:7

Posted on March 29, 2024 by Jerry

 

The Nugget:

Isa 53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. (KJV)

Isa 53:7  “He was treated harshly, but endured it humbly; he never said a word. Like a lamb about to be slaughtered, like a sheep about to be sheared, he never said a word.  (GNB, Good News Bible)

Isa 53:7  He was abused and punished, but he didn’t open his mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. He was like a sheep that is silent when its wool is cut off. He didn’t open his mouth. (GW, God’s Word translation)

Isa 53:7 He was painfully abused, but he did not complain. He was silent like a lamb being led to the butcher, as quiet as a sheep having its wool cut off. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

My Comment:

3-29-24 Isaian 53v7 UCRT full text references

 

Here is Isaiah 53:7 with its associated cross references as I have given them in my digital resource, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

Isa 53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was oppressed. or, hard pressed. Mar 9:12, Act 26:23.

Mark 9:12
12  And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
King James Version

Acts 26:23
23  That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
King James Version

he was afflicted. Isa 53:4.

Isaiah 53:4
4  Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
King James Version

yet. Psa 38:13, +Mat 11:29; Mat 12:19; *Mat 26:63; *Mat 27:12, 13, 14, *Mar 14:61; *Mar 15:5, *Luk 23:9, *Joh 19:9, *1Pe 2:23.

Psalms 38:13
13  But I, as a deaf man, heard not; and I was as a dumb man that openeth not his mouth.
King James Version

Matthew 11:29
29  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
King James Version

Matthew 12:19
19  He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
King James Version

Matthew 26:63
63  But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
King James Version

Matthew 27:12-14
12  And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
13  Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
14  And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.
King James Version

Mark 14:61
61  But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
King James Version

Mark 15:5
5  But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled.
King James Version

Luke 23:9
9  Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.
King James Version

John 19:9
9  And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.
King James Version

1 Peter 2:23
23  Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
King James Version

Here are more of the cross references I have given in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury for Isaiah 53:7,

Isa 53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

opened not his mouth. FS108H6B, +Psa 38:13, Idiom for silence and submission. Psa 39:2, 1Pe 2:22, 23.

Psalms 39:2
2  I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred.
King James Version

1 Peter 2:22-23
22  Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23  Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
King James Version

he is brought. T1940 (Messiah to be led as a lamb to the slaughter). “The Savior was neither ’driven’ nor ’dragged,’ but led: thereby the Holy Spirit informs us, once more, of His willing submission” (Pink, Comm. on John, vol. 3, p. 176). %Gen 3:24, =Lev 17:5, Jer 31:18, Mat 27:30, 31, Mar 14:53, Joh 10:17; $Joh 18:13, *>Act 8:32; *>Act 8:33, *1Co 5:7.

Genesis 3:24
24  So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
King James Version

Leviticus 17:5
5  To the end that the children of Israel may bring their sacrifices, which they offer in the open field, even that they may bring them unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest, and offer them for peace offerings unto the LORD.
King James Version

Jeremiah 31:18
18  I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.
King James Version

Matthew 27:30-31
30  And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
31  And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
King James Version

Mark 14:53
53  And they led Jesus away to the high priest: and with him were assembled all the chief priests and the elders and the scribes.
King James Version

John 10:17
17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
King James Version

John 18:13
13  And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year.
King James Version

Acts 8:32
32  The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
King James Version

Acts 8:33
33  In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
King James Version

1 Corinthians 5:7
7  Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
King James Version

as a lamb. T1909 (The innocence and meekness of the Messiah). Exo 12:5; Exo 12:13, Lev 1:10; Lev 4:32, Jer 11:19, Joh 1:29; Joh 1:36, $Act 8:32, 33, 34, 35, 1Pe 1:19, Rev 5:6; Rev 13:8.

Exodus 12:5
5  Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
King James Version

Exodus 12:13
13  And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
King James Version

Leviticus 1:10
10  And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.
King James Version

Leviticus 4:32
32  And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
King James Version

Jeremiah 11:19
19  But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
King James Version

John 1:29
29  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
King James Version

John 1:36
36  And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
King James Version

Acts 8:32-35
32  The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33  In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34  And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35  Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
King James Version

1 Peter 1:19
19  But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
King James Version

Revelation 5:6
6  And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
King James Version

Revelation 13:8
8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
King James Version

Here is Isaiah 53:7 with the rest of its associated cross references as I have given them in my digital resource, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

to the slaughter. +Gen 43:16, Mat 17:23, Mar 12:7, Rom 8:36.

Genesis 43:16
16  And when Joseph saw Benjamin with them, he said to the ruler of his house, Bring these men home, and slay, and make ready; for these men shall dine with me at noon.
King James Version

Matthew 17:23
23  And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
King James Version

Mark 12:7
7  But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
King James Version

Romans 8:36
36  As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
King James Version

sheep. =Lev 1:10.

Leviticus 1:10
10  And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.
King James Version

before her shearers. +Gen 31:19, Act 8:32.

Genesis 31:19
19  And Laban went to shear his sheep: and Rachel had stolen the images that were her father’s.
King James Version

Acts 8:32
32  The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
King James Version

is dumb. T1941 (Messiah to be dumb, that is, silent before his accusers). $Mat 27:12, 13, 14, Mar 15:3, $1Pe 2:23.

Matthew 27:12-14
12  And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
13  Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
14  And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.
King James Version

Mark 15:3
3  And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing.
King James Version

1 Peter 2:23
23  Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
King James Version

opened not. Jas 5:6.

James 5:6
6  Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
King James Version

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On what day of the week was Jesus crucified?

Posted on March 28, 2024 by Jerry

 

The Text:

Luke 24:21  But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

The Question:

Which day–Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday–is the day of Christ’s crucifixion and death?

The Answer:

Thursday is the option that best meets the evidence in the New Testament record.

See the 1942 book by Roy M. Allen, Three Days in the Grave, for a full and accurate discussion of what is involved.

A key point of evidence is found in the statement of the two disciples on the Emmaus Road as given in Luke 24:21,

Luk 24:21  But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

If Sunday is the Third Day Since these things were done, then:

Saturday is the second day since these things were done;

Friday is the first day since these things were done.

Therefore,

Thursday is the day “these things were done.”

Take note of Mark 8:31,

Mar 8:31  And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

A Friday crucifixion would violate four Scripture passages:

Mat 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Mat 27:63  Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Mar 8:31  And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Luk 24:21  But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

Roy Allen has definitively resolved any chronological issues you might think arise from a Thursday crucifixion in his book, Three Days in the Grave, New York: Loizeaux Brothers, 1942, 159 pages + fold-out chronological chart. 2000 copies printed.

I have shared his findings at length on my site.

Passion Week Chronology in Detail

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The Key to Messianic Prophecy

Posted on March 26, 2024 by Jerry

 

The Text:

1Pe 1:11  Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. (KJV)

My Comment:

Our Lord Jesus Christ revealed the key to understanding Messianic Bible Prophecies to the two disciples who were returning home after a sad and disappointing day in Jerusalem when He told them:

Luk 24:25  Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Peter learned this truth from the Savior and repeats it in his first letter:

1Pe 1:11  Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

I wish we had a full written transcript of exactly what Jesus taught the two disciples that day on the Emmaus Road!

Some members of one supposedly very ancient Church challenged me on the Internet that only their church was the One True Church because only their Church possessed the Unwritten Traditions from the very time of Christ and His Apostles.

So, I challenged them and requested them to furnish an Internet link to the content of the teaching Jesus gave those two disciples on the Emmaus Road, teaching Jesus repeated to His Apostles as a group later that day:

Luk 24:44  And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45  Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46  And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47  And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48  And ye are witnesses of these things.

No one was able to furnish a full written transcript of what Jesus carefully taught the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus or what He taught again that evening to the assembled group of disciples. That Church seems to claim that it is in possession of the unwritten Traditions the rest of us don’t have, but in this case, given how important this information is–which they all heard–that Church can produce no trace. The claimed treasury of Tradition simply does not exist for this information. It reminds me of the words of the nursery rhyme, “Nothing in it, nothing in it, but the binding around it”! If that Church really does have it, show me the written Transcript!

The Security Office at one of the Detroit high schools where I taught had this significant sign on the door: “If it is not written, it did not happen.”

Fortunately, the clue given by Jesus to the two disciples on the Emmaus Road at Luke 24:26, a clue repeated by Peter in his first letter at 1 Peter 1:11, enables us like forensic detectives to study the associated cross references given in The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury to reconstruct a good part of the message Jesus must have given on that Resurrection Day.

Dig Deeper by reading the Cross References for 1 Peter 1:11 as given in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

1 Peter 1:11
Searching. Gr. ereunaō (S# G2045, Joh 5:39). 1Pe 1:10, Pro 15:14, *Dan 8:15, Mat 13:17, Luk 10:24.

what manner of time. **Dan 9:2; **Dan 9:24, 25, 26; Dan 12:5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, Hab 2:1, 2, 3, 4, Gal 4:4, Php 4:5, Heb 9:9.

the Spirit. Gr. pneuma, +Mat 3:16. 1Pe 3:18, 19, Zec 7:12, Mar 12:36, Joh 14:17; Joh 16:7, Act 1:16; +Act 16:7, Rom 1:4; +*Rom 8:9, 1Co 10:4, *2Co 3:17; *2Co 3:18, *Gal 4:6, Php 1:19, Col 3:16, 1Ti 3:16, *Heb 9:14; Heb 10:15, *2Pe 1:21, Rev 3:1; *Rev 19:10.

of Christ. 1Pe 1:20, +*Joh 12:41, *1Co 10:4; *1Co 10:9, 2Co 3:17, 18, *Col 1:15, 16, 17.

which was in them. or, with them. Other translations handle as in, within, but this is not correct. Though God was with His people under the old economy, the Spirit of God did not indwell anyone until Pentecost (cf. Joh 14:17, 18 and notes) [LNT, fn e]. *Neh 9:30, Act 10:17.

did signify. or, point. Gr. dēloō (S# G1213, 1Co 1:11). Dan 12:8, 1Co 3:13, 2Pe 1:14.

when it testified beforehand. Gr. promarturomai (S# G4303, only here), to be a witness in advance, that is, predict (Strong). Psa 40:7; Psa 110:7, +Mat 26:24, +**Joh 5:39, Act 2:31; Act 7:52; Act 8:35, 1Co 15:4, Gal 3:17; Gal 3:23, Heb 2:6.

the sufferings. Gr. pathēma (S# G3804, Rom 7:5). 1Pe 2:21; 1Pe 3:18, 19, 20, 21, 22; 1Pe 4:1; 1Pe 4:13; 1Pe 5:1, *Psa 22:1-21; *Psa 69:1-21, Psalms 88:1, 2, 3, 4. *Isa 52:13; *Isa 52:14; *Isa 53:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, *Dan 9:24, 25, 26, *Zec 13:7, Mat 16:21; Mat 26:24, Luk 9:22; Luk 9:31; Luk 22:22; +*Luk 24:25, 26, 27; +*Luk 24:44, Act 2:23; +Act 3:18; *Act 17:3; Act 26:22, 23, +*1Co 15:3; +*1Co 15:4, 2Co 1:5, Heb 2:10; Heb 11:26; Heb 12:2.

the glory. or, glories. A common objection among the Jewish people who do not believe Jesus Christ is their Messiah is that there are many prophecies Jesus did not fulfill when He came. Peter here, and Jesus (Luk 24:26) furnish an absolute answer to that objection:

(1) the prophecies Jesus did fulfill pertain to “His sufferings.”

(2) the prophecies Jesus did not fulfill are reserved for the future when He comes in His full glory (Psa 102:16, Zec 14:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, Mat 24:30, 31).

Several prophecies are recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures, our Old Testament, that present exactly this order even within a single chapter, as seen in these cross references to specific chapters in the Bible that present this order:

Psa 22:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, the sufferings; Psa 22:22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, the glory.

Psa 69:1-21, the sufferings; Psa 69:30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, the glory.

Isa 53:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, the sufferings; Isa 53:11, 12, the glory.

Those who disbelieve in the Messiahship of Jesus Christ do so in the face of the evidence: just how can we account for the many prophecies (T1874 to T1976) Christ did fulfill at His First Advent? These things really did happen. The argument from Historicity is unanswerable and irrefutable (2Pe 1:16 note).

In terms of the provisions of the Abrahamic (+Gen 12:2 note) and the Davidic Covenants (+2Sa 7:10 note), you cannot have a Messiah who fulfills one aspect (the glory) without the other aspect (the sufferings) being fulfilled first. It takes both aspects to fulfill the predictions presented in the Messianic Prophecies of the Hebrew Scriptures. 1Pe 1:3; 1Pe 1:7; 1Pe 1:13; 1Pe 1:21, 1Pe 3:21, 22; 1Pe 4:5; 1Pe 4:13, +*Gen 3:15; Gen 45:13; +*Gen 49:10, *Psa 22:22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31; Psa 45:3, 4, 5, 6, 7; *Psa 69:30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36; *Psa 72:17, 18, 19; +*Psa 102:16; *Psa 110:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6; *Psa 145:11, +*Isa 9:6; +*Isa 9:7; *Isa 11:10 mg. *Isa 49:6; *Isa 53:11; *Isa 53:12; Isa 55:5; Isa 60:1, 2, 3; Isa 60:9; Isa 60:13; Isa 60:19, *Dan 2:34; Dan 2:35; Dan 2:44; +*Dan 7:13; Dan 7:14, **Zec 2:8, 9, 10, 11, 12; +**Zec 6:13; +*Zec 14:9, Mat 6:13, *Mar 10:37, Luk 19:38; *Luk 23:42; +**Luk 24:26, **+Joh 12:41, *Act 26:22; Act 26:23, 1Co 2:7, +*1Th 2:12, 1Ti 1:11, Rev 19:7.

that should follow. or, after these things. Rev 22:6.

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Daily Bible Nugget #835, 1 Thessalonians 4:15

Posted on March 25, 2024 by Jerry

 

The Nugget:

1Th 4:15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (KJV)

1Th 4:15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. (ESV)

The Muslim Challenge:

Paul made a false prophecy about the coming of Jesus during his lifetime…

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

My Answer:

For those who know how to read, are willing to read, and who actually do read with care, I post the following refutation of the Opening Post. I take this information from my digital Bible study resource, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury, the note on “that we” in 1 Thessalonians 4:15,

1Th 4:15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

that we. FS39, Acts 17:27. Some have mistakenly drawn the inference that Paul here asserts he expected the return of Jesus in his own lifetime. This, of course, is an unwarranted inference which fails to take into account Paul’s own inspired prediction regarding the great apostasy and the coming of Antichrist given in 2 Thessalonians 2, events which Paul certainly did not suppose were to be compressed into his own lifespan. The fact that Christ revealed to Peter certain events which would transpire in his life (Joh 21:18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23), as well as to Paul (Acts 9:15; Act 20:23, 24; Act 27:24), must not be understood to deny the doctrine of the imminency of the return of Christ. Robertson notes Paul “was alive, not dead, when he wrote” (Word Pictures, vol. 4, p. 32). Paul sometimes associates himself with the living (as here, and Php 3:20, Tit 2:12, 13), and sometimes with the dead, (as **1Co 6:14, **2Co 4:14; 2Co 5:8, Php 1:21, 22, 23, 24; Php 2:17, 2Ti 4:6, 7, 8). By such words Paul simply associates himself with the class of the living to which he then belonged, as opposed to the dead, and was not making a statement about how soon Jesus would return, a secret which God has kept in his own counsel (+*Deut 29:29, Mat 24:36, +*Mark 13:32, +*Acts 1:7), as Hogg and Vine well observe (Comm. on 1 Thessalonians, p. 138). 1Th 4:17, 1Th 5:10, Psa 66:6, Hos 12:4, Mat 16:28 note. Mar 9:1, Luk 9:27, Rom 13:11; Rom 13:13, +1Co 6:14; 1Co 15:51, Php 3:20, Tit 2:12, 13.

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