Daily Bible Nugget #625, Matthew 21:16

The Nugget:

Mat 21:16  And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise? (KJV)

Mat 21:16  They said to him, “Do you hear what these children are saying?” Jesus replied, “Yes, I do. Have you never read, ‘From the mouths of little children and infants, you have created praise’?” (God’s Word translation)

Mat 21:16 Have you any idea what these are saying? And Jesus said to them, Yes: have you not seen in the Writings, From the lips of children and babies at the breast you have made your praise complete? (Basic English Bible)

Mat 21:16 And said to him: “Do you hear what these boys are saying?” “Yes,” answered Jesus; “but did you never read the words–‘Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou hast called forth perfect praise’?” (Twentieth Century New Testament)

The Context:

Mat 21:12 Jesus went into the temple and chased out everyone who was selling or buying. He turned over the tables of the moneychangers and the benches of the ones who were selling doves.
Mat 21:13 He told them, “The Scriptures say, ‘My house should be called a place of worship.’ But you have turned it into a place where robbers hide.”
Mat 21:14 Blind and lame people came to Jesus in the temple, and he healed them.
Mat 21:15 But the chief priests and the teachers of the Law of Moses were angry when they saw his miracles and heard the children shouting praises to the Son of David.
Mat 21:16 The men said to Jesus, “Don’t you hear what those children are saying?” “Yes, I do!” Jesus answered. “Don’t you know that the Scriptures say, ‘Children and infants will sing praises’?”
Mat 21:17 Then Jesus left the city and went out to the village of Bethany, where he spent the night. (Contemporary English Version)

Cross-Reference Study:

Matthew 21:16

Hearest. Psa 20:9, *Luk 19:39; *Luk 19:40, *Joh 11:47; *Joh 11:48, *Act 4:16, 17, 18.

have ye never read. Mat 21:42, Mat 4:7; +Mat 12:3 note, Mat 12:5; Mat 19:4; Mat 21:42; Mat 22:31, Mar 2:25; Mar 12:10, *Luk 6:3.

Out. FS92A, +Mat 1:23, Note,—This Psalm is applied to Christ also in 1Co 15:27; Eph 1:22; Heb 2:6 (De Burgh). *Mat 11:25, *>Psa 8:2.

babes. +*Mat 11:25, +Luk 9:47; Luk 10:21, 1Co 1:27, 28, 29.

and sucklings. FS174, +Gen 18:27, 2Ti 3:15.

perfected. or, prepared. 1Co 1:27.

My Comment:

Notice that it was the children who recognized who Jesus is, while the adult religious leaders had nothing but criticism about what was going on.

Jesus implicitly criticized the religious leaders for their obtuseness by challenging them with a question in return, asking if they had never read the Scriptures! Then, as now, too often they have not.

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Daily Bible Nugget #624, Matthew 19:13

The Nugget:

Mat 19:13  Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. (KJV)

Mat 19:13  Then some people brought little children to Jesus to have him bless them and pray for them. But the disciples told the people not to do that. (God’s Word translation)

The Context:

Mat 19:13 Some people brought their children to Jesus, so that he could place his hands on them and pray for them. His disciples told the people to stop bothering him.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the children come to me, and don’t try to stop them! People who are like these children belong to God’s kingdom.”
Mat 19:15 After Jesus had placed his hands on the children, he left. (Contemporary English Version)

My Comment:

As far as I have so far noticed, only Matthew’s account mentions that when the young children were brought to Jesus, He not only put his hands on them, but prayed for them.

If Jesus found it important to pray for children, following His example, we should too.

My Greek professor, Dr. Stewart Custer, in his brief commentary on Matthew, remarks:

He obviously prayed divine blessing upon them. We must meditate on what early prayers can do for children. Susanna Wesley prayed for her children.

Custer, S. (2005). The Gospel of the King : a commentary on Matthew (p. 275). Greenville, S.C.: BJU Press.

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Daily Bible Nugget #623, Matthew 18:7

The Nugget:

Mat 18:7  Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! (KJV)

The Context:

Mat 18:5  And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mat 18:7  Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Mat 18:8  Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mat 18:9  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

My Comment:

Consulting the context, it appears to me that the warning Jesus gave against offending and not receiving a child is related to not receiving Jesus Himself.

Causing a child to go astray by teaching them falsehood is an offence that places the person who caused the child or the believer in Christ to lose his or her faith in Christ subjects the offender to the penalty of everlasting hell, to be cast into hell fire.

There are some today who attempt to explain away what Jesus taught about everlasting or eternal punishment. I think that to lessen this severe warning of Jesus is to make a person subject to the very punishment Jesus threatened.

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Daily Bible Nugget #622, Matthew 18:6

The Nugget:

Mat 18:6  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. (KJV)

Mat 18:6 But whosoever shall offend one of these little ones who believe in me, it were profitable for him that a great millstone had been hanged upon his neck and he be sunk in the depths of the sea. (Darby)

Mat 18:6  “These little ones believe in me. It would be best for the person who causes one of them to lose faith to be drowned in the sea with a large stone hung around his neck. (God’s Word translation)

The Context:

Mat 18:1  At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2  And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4  Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5  And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. (KJV)

My Comment:

Jesus  pointedly emphasized the seriousness of doing anything to lead a child astray. But “child” may be taken in a broader sense than just a young child. What Jesus says applies to leading believers of any age astray by causing them to lose faith in Him.

In the immediate preceding context, Jesus, in answer to the question, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”, instructs us that we must be converted and become as little children, and receive Christ in faith believing.

The context which follows is especially instructive. I’ll likely include that in my next post.

 

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Are we saved before we believe?

I just visited a site called something like “the state of theology dot com.”

Here is one of the survey questions they asked in 2020 and previous times:

“The Holy Spirit gives a spiritual new birth or new life before a person has faith in Jesus Christ.”

I believe this represents a strongly Calvinistic position.

I also believe that such a position is absolutely mistaken, so were I to take the survey, I would mark “strongly disagree.”

Perhaps some kind and informed Calvinist who stumbles across this site will take the time to upgrade my Bible education on this belief of theirs by supporting it with strictly biblical evidence.

Just leave a reply in the comment box below.

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Daily Bible Nugget #621, Matthew 11:25

The Nugget:

Mat 11:25  At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. (KJV)

Mat 11:25 Answering at that time, Jesus said, I praise You, Father, Lord of Heaven and of earth, because You hid these things from the sophisticated and cunning and revealed them to babes. (Literal Translation of the Holy Bible)

The Context:

Mat 11:25  At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat 11:26  Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Mat 11:27  All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Mat 11:28  Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30  For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (KJV)

My Comment:

There is much food for thought in this passage for those who will read carefully. Once again, we see Jesus showing great respect for the innocence and receptivity of children. Jesus tells us that God has hid these things from the wise and prudent. The wise may be a reference to those who are the educated. DeBurgh remarks, “Referring to acquired knowledge.” The prudent may be those who are naturally gifted apart from formal education. DeBurgh comments, “Referring to natural abilities.”

Jesus next explains that only those persons can fully know the Father or the Son who are those to whom the Son “may will to reveal Him” (Lavender’s New Testament).

Then Jesus invites us all to “Come unto me” in those more familiar words of invitation, comfort, and instruction, “all ye who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

The subjunctive mood, “may will to reveal Him,” likely reflects the following contingency, “Come unto me.”

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Daily Bible Nugget #620, Luke 18:17

The Nugget:

Luk 18:17  Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. (KJV)

Luk 18:17 verily I say to you, Whoever may not receive the reign of God as a little child, may not enter into it.’ (Young’s Literal Translation)

Luke 18:17 Truly I say to you, whoever may not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he may by no means enter into it.” (Lavender’s New Testament)

Luk 18:17 I solemnly say to you, Whoever does not accept the kingdom of God as a little child does, will never get into it at all.” (Williams New Testament)

Luk 18:17 Truly I say to you, Whoever does not put himself under the kingdom of God like a little child, will not come into it at all. (Bible in Basic English)

Luk 18:17  I can guarantee this truth: Whoever doesn’t receive the kingdom of God as a little child receives it will never enter it.” (God’s Word translation)

My Comment:

Each Bible translation of Luke 18:17 presents the translator’s best understanding of the underlying Greek text. Notice that only the Young’s Literal Translation and the Lavender’s New Testament preserve in English the underlying subjunctive mood (“may”) present in the Greek text. Most of the cited translations preserve the emphatic negative “may by no means enter,” “will never get into it at all.” It is good to compare several translations to get a better idea of what was originally said or written. I like to compare what I call “distinctive translations,” translations that do not say exactly what most translations say.

The sobering message of what Jesus said here has eternal significance and consequences for every reader. Unless we receive the kingdom of God the way a child does, we surely will not  enter it.

There are many different opinions among Bible scholars about just what is meant by “the kingdom of God.” Most of their opinions are mistaken. I have placed a note in The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury which explains what is meant by the “kingdom of God”:

1Co 15:50  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

the kingdom of God. Those (often of materialist and Arian persuasion) who cite this text in proof that a saved person does not go immediately upon death to be with Christ (**2Co 5:8, *Php 1:23) have confused the “kingdom of God” with heaven, which it is not. Neither is the church the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven (Isa 60:21 note). The kingdom of God or Heaven is the future permanent and eternal (Dan 7:14, Rev 11:15) earthly reign of Jesus Christ in a theocratic kingdom whose capital is Jerusalem (Jer 3:17, Mic 4:7, Zep 3:15), a reign which extends to all the earth (Zec 14:9), in fulfillment of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants (+**Gen 12:2 note. +**2Sa 7:10 note. +**Act 7:5; +**Isa 55:3). The kingdom of God is identical to the kingdom of heaven. Those (particularly dispensationalists) who make a distinction between the “kingdom of heaven” and the “kingdom of God” have confused the “kingdom of God” with the “sovereignty of God.” The Jehovah’s Witnesses, who make much of this text, fail to note the one essential requirement to enter the earthly kingdom, the new birth (Eze 36:25, 26, **Joh 3:3; **Joh 3:5; **Joh 3:7 note. +**Act 3:19, 21), a requirement which they deny, which is proof enough that they, like the unbelieving Jews of Jesus’s day, will have no part or place in it (+*Mat 8:11; +*Mat 8:12). +**1Co 6:9, Jer 3:17, Mic 4:7, Zep 3:15, **Zec 14:9, +**Joh 3:3; +**Joh 3:5; +**Joh 3:7, +*Act 14:22, *+Rom 14:17, Rev 11:15.

neither doth. FS96B1, 1Co 15:12, i.e. can. Paul shows that the kingdom of God is yet future (Col 1:13 note. 2Ti 4:1 note), it is inherited (+*Eph 1:11 note) only by regenerated saints as co-heirs with Christ (+*Rom 8:17), who will enter the kingdom with glorified bodies, as his subsequent discussion (1Co 15:51, 52, 53) shows, by means of resurrection or glorification. +*Mat 19:28, +*Act 3:21, Rom 8:17, Col 1:13, +*2Ti 4:1.

 

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Daily Bible Nugget #619, Luke 18:16

The Nugget:

Luk 18:16  But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. (KJV)

Luk 18:16  But Jesus called the infants to him and said, “Don’t stop the children from coming to me! Children like these are part of the kingdom of God. (God’s Word translation)

Luk 18:16 So Jesus called the children over to him and said, “Let the children come to me! Don’t try to stop them. People who are like these children belong to God’s kingdom. (Contemporary English Version)

The Context:

Luk 18:15 Some people brought their little children for Jesus to bless. But when his disciples saw them doing this, they told the people to stop bothering him.
Luk 18:16 So Jesus called the children over to him and said, “Let the children come to me! Don’t try to stop them. People who are like these children belong to God’s kingdom.
Luk 18:17 You will never get into God’s kingdom unless you enter it like a child!” (CEV)

My Comment:

Jesus insisted that it was important for little children to be brought to Him. The parallel text in Matthew 19:13 tells us that parents were bringing their children to Jesus “that he should put his hands on them, and pray.”

Jesus always took time for children, even when He was very busy. This upset the disciples who tried to prevent these interruptions. Notice, then, the attitude of Jesus toward children.

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Daily Bible Nugget #618, Luke 17:2

The Nugget:

Luk 17:2  It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.  (KJV)

My Comment:

What Jesus teaches in this passage ought to capture our attention. Looking at the context and reading it in a modern English translation should help our focus and understanding:

Luk 17:1  Jesus told his disciples, “Situations that cause people to lose their faith are certain to arise. But how horrible it will be for the person who causes someone to lose his faith!
Luk 17:2  It would be best for that person to be thrown into the sea with a large stone hung around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to lose his faith.
Luk 17:3  So watch yourselves! “If a believer sins, correct him. If he changes the way he thinks and acts, forgive him.
Luk 17:4  Even if he wrongs you seven times in one day and comes back to you seven times and says that he is sorry, forgive him.” (God’s Word translation)

The Lavender’s New Testament has a note for the parallel passage in Matthew 18:6, “But whoever may cause one of these little ones believing in Me to sin,” which states “So to cause someone to sin even once, is so serious in the sight of God, that “…it is better for him that…he may be drowned…”

 

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Did Jesus Die on the Cross?

 

Four years ago today, February 5, 2021, I shared a “meme” which said:

Everybody thinks I’m crazy. They say, “You take the Jesus thing too seriously.” Well I don’t know, but Jesus took me pretty seriously when he died for me on the cross.”

This generated quite a discussion on Facebook four years ago. But when I “shared” this memory today, the discussion was not included.

Here is the discussion, slightly modified, to avoid using names of individuals who have not given me permission to use them:

Unnamed responder:

Jesus did not die at all let alone dying for anybody’s sins.

I answered:

According to the Bible, particularly the New Testament record, and history itself, you are most certainly misinformed, for Jesus Christ died for me and you on the cross. Get your information from the primary source documents that recorded the history as eye-witness accounts. Do not depend for your information on secondary sources hundreds of years after those events took place. You cannot learn the truth from what are called poisoned wells of information, for they can only lead you astray.

Unnamed responder:

The well of source that I got is your bible. It is the direct word of Jesus. I just hope you can bear the truth by the time we start.

Jerome Smith, i want you to explain to the world that Jesus was telling lie in Matt 12:38-40.

AS JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF FISH SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH ”

Mr Jerome Smith, was Jonah Alive??? If Jonah was Alive, then Jesus was Alive.

That’s the miracle Jesus wanted for himself.

Jesus said, he would not die.

Can you explain this sir???

 

My response:

Jonah died. He was in Sheol. That is where he made his prayer from while in the great fish for three days and three nights. See Jonah 2:2. Jonah speaks of going down to the bottom of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me forever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God (Jonah 2:6). Jonah was restored to life and released from the great fish upon the dry land.

Jesus did not say He would not die. To the contrary, Jesus repeatedly told His disciples that He would be killed, and that He would die by crucifixion.

Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Mat 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

rise again. The following are the other prophecies of his resurrection by Christ:—Joh 2:19; Joh 2:21, Mat 12:40; Mat 16:21; Mat 17:9; Mat 17:23; Mat 26:32, For the fulfillment, see Mat 27:62-66; Mat 28:1-9 : and compare Act 2:24; Act 13:32-39, Rom 4:24, 25, 1Co 15:16-17.

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Joh 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

I have given enough of the cross references to passages about Jesus predicting His death and subsequent bodily resurrection from the dead to demonstrate conclusively that the New Testament teaches that Jesus would die, that Jesus predicted His own death, the manner of His death, and at whose hands His death would take place.

To say that “Jesus said that He would not die” directly contradicts the extensive New Testament evidence I have cited, so to make such a claim is clearly demonstrated to be false.

 

Name withheld responder:

Sir Jerome Smith, if Jonah died as u claimed, how come was he praying to God from the belly of the fish???

And if you say Jonah died, then there was no miracle.

Remember Jesus said: …THERE WILL BE NO MIRACLE GIVEN TO IT EXCEPT THE MIRACLE OF PROPHET JONAH-MATT12:39

Jesus predicted that, the miracle of prophet Jonah will be his miracle. There is no where it is recorded that Jonah died. I didn’t expect that you would lie here.

Jonah was thrown in to the sea Alive, the fish swallowed him Alive, he was in the belly of fish for 3 days and 3 nights, praying Alive. Is that not a Great Miracle ???

That same Miracle was what Jesus predicted about himself.

Jonah was much Alive, how could you quote Jonah 2:2 without starting from verse 1???

Let’s read Jonah2:1-2 ” THEN JONAH PRAYED TO THE LORD HIS GOD FROM THE BELLY OF FISH,

(2) SAYING, “I CALLED TO THE LORD, OUT OF MY DISTRESS, AND HE ANSWERED ME : OUT OF THE BELLY OF SHEOL I CRIED, AND THOU DID HEAR MY VOICE. ”

Can you see that??? Jonah was Alive through out praying. And if Jonah was Alive in the belly of fish, then Jesus was Alive also in the heart of the earth. That ‘s why Jesus said :” AS JONAH WAS IN THE BELLY OF FISH, THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS, SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH -matt12:40

Now, Jonah was Alive, then Jesus was also Alive.

In fact the situation of Jonah has given us a clearer picture of what really happened to Jesus, Jesus was Alive in the heart of the earth praying.

This is the Miracle Jesus was talking about.

Sir Jerome Smith, compare this Matt12:38-40 with all the verses you provided above and ask yourself, why is Jesus contradicting himself??? Did Jesus really die on the cross???

Was Jesus dead or Alive, according to Matt 12:38-40???

 

My answer:

You have asked some very good questions which I am happy to answer for you.

You asked, “If Jonah died as you claimed, how come he was praying to God from the belly of the fish?”

The answer is, that the Bible teaches the conscious existence of the person after death. Therefore, though Jonah truly died (or he could not be in hell, Hebrew, sheol), he was still conscious and could pray. In Luke 16:22-31 we see that there is prayer taking place in hell or in Greek, hades, which is equivalent to the Hebrew term sheol.

You comment,

“And if you say Jonah died, then there was no miracle.”

Of course, we know that Jonah did come back to life again, which is the miracle of resuscitation from the dead, performed by God, when the fish disgorged Jonah upon the dry beach.

This makes Jonah’s experience a “type” or picture that portrays the experience Jesus would undergo, namely, physical death followed by the miracle of bodily resurrection after being in the tomb for three days.

You state,

“Remember Jesus said: …THERE WILL BE NO MIRACLE GIVEN TO IT EXCEPT THE MIRACLE OF PROPHET JONAH-MATT12:39

“Jesus predicted that, the miracle of prophet Jonah will be his miracle.”

Your reasoning is quite good, and almost correct. Jesus did indeed predict that the miracle of prophet Jonah will be His miracle. I see two direct likenesses. (1) Jonah died and was in effect buried for three days and nights in the belly of the fish, during which Jonah prayed while in Sheol; (2) Jonah was resuscitated and came out alive, which is a picture of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ who actually died and after three days was resurrected out of the dead, from the dead.

Notice I distinguish what happened to Jonah, who was resuscitated or brought back to physical life but who undoubtedly died a natural death after that, though the account of his death is not recorded in the Bible so far as I remember.

Jesus Christ was resurrected, not merely resuscitated, in His own but now transformed and glorified indestructible body which will never die.

You state,

“There is no where it is recorded that Jonah died. I didn’t expect that you would lie here.”

When I introduce you to new information that you had not known about, I am certainly not telling a lie! I hope that I am upgrading your education for the purpose of more accurate discussion and understanding. I did not pull this information “out of a hat,” but rather I share with you what I have learned from many years of careful study of the Bible. That Jonah actually died is a fact derived from proper inference based upon the presence of the word “sheol” in the text of Jonah 2:2.

Jon 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

hell. or, the grave. Heb. sheol, +*Gen 37:35 note. +Deu 32:22, 2Sa 22:6, Job 26:6, +*Psa 9:17; +*Psa 16:10; Psa 18:5; Psa 116:3; *Psa 139:7; *Psa 139:8, +*Isa 14:9; +*Isa 14:11, Lam 3:55, +*Eze 32:27 note. +*Amos 9:2 note. Hab 2:5, **Mat 12:40, *Act 2:27; *Act 2:31.

The KJV translators supply the alternative rendering “grave” for “hell.” They rightly consigned this reading to the margin. It is not correct. “Sheol” never actually means “grave,” though it is often so translated in the KJV. There are different Hebrew words that specifically mean “grave.” Much doctrinal confusion has arisen because of the confusion of these terms. The term “Sheol” pertains to the soul which even after physical death of the body continues in conscious existence; the term grave (Hebrew “qeburah” and qeber) applies to the body, not the soul or spirit. Bodies enter graves, the soul or spirit if of a saved person who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior enters heaven or paradise immediately upon death or if unsaved enters sheol or hades to await the judgment and after that be consigned forever to the Lake of Fire (see Revelation 21:8). I have placed a full note about this in my book at Genesis 37:35 where the word “sheol” is first used in the Bible.

You state,

“Can you see that??? Jonah was Alive through out praying. And if Jonah was Alive in the belly of fish, then Jesus was Alive also in the heart of the earth. That’s why Jesus said :” AS JONAH WAS IN THE BELLY OF FISH, THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS, SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH -matt12:40

“Now, Jonah was Alive, then Jesus was also Alive.”

Yes, I agree that both Jonah and Jesus upon their respective deaths were still conscious in spirit, though their bodies were dead. Jonah was miraculously brought back to life and released from the fish; Jesus Christ was miraculously resurrected bodily from the dead and lives for ever in a glorified, imperishable, indestructible yet tangible body. Jesus left behind the empty tomb and appeared alive to all his disciples and followers during forty days in a body marked by the nail prints in His hands and feet, and the scar from being pierced in His side by a sword, demonstrating that it was He Himself and not a ghost or spirit Whom they saw.

The Scripture carefully distinguishes where Jonah and where Jesus were during the interim from the time of death until resuscitation or resurrection occurred. Jonah was conscious in Sheol. Jesus Christ was conscious in paradise.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

You conclude,

“Sir Jerome Smith, compare this Matt 12:38, 39, 40 with all the verses you provided above and ask yourself, why is Jesus contradicting himself??? Did Jesus really die on the cross???

Was Jesus dead or Alive, according to Matt 12:38, 39, 40???”

My answer is already long (which is why I sometimes quote less of the context from Scripture when I post verses, I post those that relate most directly to the matter being discussed), but let me share some information to help you better understand the question or request of the scribes and Pharisees which Jesus addressed by looking more closely at Matthew 12:38,

Mat 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

see a sign. The first of six “signs” asked for (Mat 12:38; Mat 16:1; Mat 24:3, Luk 11:16, Joh 2:18; Joh 6:30) [CB]. The particular “sign” sought for was, no doubt, the sign of the Son of Man’s glorious appearing as foretold in Dan 7:13, and promised by Christ in connection with his Second Coming, Mat 24:30; instead of which he tells them here that there should only be given them the sign of his humiliation (De Burgh). *Mat 16:1, 2, 3, 4, 1Ki 13:3, Isa 7:11, *Mar 8:11; *Mar 8:12, *Luk 11:16; *Luk 11:29; *Luk 11:30; Luk 23:8, **+Joh 2:18, 19, 20, 21, 22; *Joh 4:48; *Joh 6:30, *1Co 1:22, Rev 12:1.

Jesus did not give the scribes and Pharisees the sign they expected. Jesus gave them the sign that corresponded to the Divine Order of events predicted in the Messianic Prophecies given in the Bible.

After His resurrection Jesus clarified for His disciples just what that predicted order is, as reflected in what He said as recorded in Luke 24:26,

Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

In brief, the lesson is: first the sufferings, then the glory. At His first coming or advent Jesus experienced the predicted sufferings foretold of the Messiah; at His second coming or advent Jesus will fulfill the remaining Messianic Prophecies which pertain to His Glory.

 

Name withheld responder:

Sir Jerome Smith, Luke 16:22-31 has nothing to do with what happened to Jonah, it is talking about what will happen to the Righteous and the wicked after death . The case of Jonah and Jesus is different. Lazarus and the rich man died a natural death. Lazarus was taken by the Angels while the rich was being tormented.

But Jonah was thrown in to the sea Alive , GOD kept him Alive, then the fish swallowed him as GOD commanded it, Jonah was in the belly of fish Alive, it was was a miracle through out.

If someone is thrown into the heart of the sea, everybody’s expectation should be that the man is dead already, if they now find out that the man is Alive, they will be amazed and conclude that it was a miracle. If they now heard again that the man was swallowed by the fish for three days and was later disgorged, they will give glory to GOD for the greatest miracle HE has done in the life of the man.

What happened to Jonah was Miracle upon miracle. This was what Jesus said would happen. Jesus was nailed on the cross, his hands and feet were nailed, but his heart was not nailed, Jesus was on the cross for 3 hrs, nails in the hands and feet could not have killed Jesus. Jesus only became unconscious immediately after he drank vinegar -Matt27:48, Mark15:36, John 19:28-29.

We all know the effect of consuming concentrated Vinegar, the intake of it can slow the heart from beating. Jesus was unconscious. And as at the time that Jesus was confirmed dead, the two thieves were still Alive.

And when one is in the state of unconsciousness, he looks like a dead person. Anyone who saw Jesus in that position would think that he is dead.

Similarly, anyone who saw Jonah being thrown in the sea would think that Jonah was dead, but GOD kept Jonah Alive, and if Jonah was Alive, Jesus was also Alive, he was praying as Jonah was praying.

Sir, not that Jonah did come back to life again, Jonah was Alive from the day he was thrown into the sea. If you Jonah was resuscitated, then there was no miracle.

Are you doubting what GOD can do??? If GOD could save Daniel from the Lions’ den, is it difficult for GOD to keep Jonah Alive without being hurt??? If it is not difficult, then a great miracle is what happened to Jonah, there was no resuscitation . And if the miracle of Jonah was the miracle of Jesus , then there was no resurrection.

But sir, how could you say performed resuscitation for Jonah??? Does that mean GOD had to struggle before HE could rescue Jonah???

That statement belittles GOD Almighty. The Omnipotent!

There was no Jesus underwent physical death let alone body resurrection.

Remember Jesus was in the Tomb, not in the grave.

When Jonah said “HE answered me out of the belly of sheol,”-Jonah2:2, it did not mean Jonah was dead. In fact, Jonah was proving that he was Alive, even in the belly of fish which is the same as SHEOL, it will be so dark, very uncomfortable , his body was not broken, or passed through digestion, but was Alive, that was SHEOL he was referring to.

SHEOL means The world of the dead. Only a person who is Alive can recognize where he was. Jonah could not have known where he was if he had died. So, one can be in the world of dead when alive, with GOD it is possible.

The Sheol of Jonah was the fish, The sheol of Daniel was the Lions Den, he was also in the world of dead. Jesus was also in the world of dead.

Daniel, Jonah and Jesus were all Alive in the world of dead. No resuscitation, No resurrection. But Miracles.

Miracles kept them all Alive.

Yes, I said it, and am still evidently maintaining that, there is no where it is written that Jonah died. Sir, if what you said you have learned for years is that Jonah died owing to Jonah2:2, sheol, Pls sir you really still need to study again.

Sir, if you truly agree with Matt12:40, you have believed that both Jonah and Jesus did not die, their bodies, souls and spirit were still with them. GOD answered Jonah’s prayer Alive, NOT brought back to life as you twistly claimed -Jonah 2:2.

And GOD commanded the fish, and the fish vomited Jonah on the dry land-based Jonah2:10.

Jesus did not die in the first place, that’s miracle, there was no Resurrection. Death will come first before Resurrection, but it never happened. No death, No Resurrection.

Sir, i thought you just said Jesus lived with his body, glorified, imperishable, yet tangible??? How come you are saying again that Jesus appeared alive to all his disciples and followers during the forty days in a body marked by nail prints in his hands and feet, and the scar from being pierced in his side by a sword??? Is this not a contradiction???

If Jesus came out demonstrating that it was He Himself and not a ghost or spirit whom they saw, is that not telling you that Jesus did not die at all??? Only a resurrected body can be ghost or spirit, but Jesus denied this, which means there was no resurrection taken place.

Bible described that, both Jonah and Jesus were conscious in the Sheol. Jesus did not go to Paradise.

Luke 23:43 is not true. Did Jesus go to paradise on that same day he was crucified???

If it’s true, where was the Thief with him in Paradise???

 

My response:

You cannot get away with suggesting that Jesus did not die on the cross while on the cross. The evidence in the account is to the contrary. It was a fulfillment of Bible prophecy or type that “not a bone of his body would be broken.” When the soldiers came to check on those who were hanging on the three crosses, they broke the legs of the two thieves to hasten their deaths because they were still alive. But they did not break the legs of Jesus, because they saw that He had died already. But one of them pierced His side with a spear, a fact you did not account for in your interesting explanation above. Surely that sword wound would have killed Jesus if He were not already dead.

Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus got permission from Pilate to get the body of Jesus and give it a proper burial. Pilate granted the permission after he first made certain that Jesus had actually died.

There is no room in the account that would make possible for Joseph and Nicodemus to have somehow picked up the wrong body. They certainly did not bury someone who was still physically alive.

Explanatory theories have been given before to try to explain away what happened to Jesus but none of them fits the evidence of the historical record, and so all of them are proven unsatisfactory.

 

Another name withheld responder:

When the body of Jesus was pierced by the soldiers blood and water came out according to bible narration. The question is: ” can blood and water come out from an already dead body?”

First name withheld responder:

Sir Jerome Smith, I am not suggesting that Jesus did not die on the cross, I am showing you the clear evidence in your bible that Jesus did not die, even while on the cross. I have given you the evidence , and the evidence is the Vinegar which Jesus drank, I don’t know why you are trying to dodge the part of Vinegar.

It was after Jesus drank the poisonous vinegar that Jesus became unconscious. The four gospels did not know how to describe his situation after he consumed the vinegar :

Matt27:50 says: “AND JESUS CRIED AGAIN WITH A LOUD VOICE AND YIELDED UP HIS SPIRIT.”

Did you see how Matthew described what happened to Jesus??? After drinking the vinegar, he cried loud, it might be that the effect of the vinegar that made him cry loudly and yielded up his spirit. Matthew did not say, and he died.

Mark15:37 says : “AND JESUS UTTERED A LOUD CRY, AND BREATHED HIS LAST. ”

Can you see sir, Mark said he breathed his last. This means he stopped breathing, Not that he died . I’ve said it earlier that, the intake of concentrated vinegar can slow or stop the heart from beating , that was what happened to Jesus, he stopped breathing , in other word, Jesus became unconscious. Not that he died. Sir, this is where i expect you to apply your logic .

Jesus stopped breathing because, he became unconscious. Unconscious means : “In A State Like Sleep Because of an injury Or Illness, And Not Able To Use Your Senses.”(Advanced Learner Dictionary).

From nailing of hands and feet to the drinking of vinegar, Mark has shown us clearly that Jesus was unconscious . Not dead.

Luke 23:46 says : “THEN JESUS CRYING WITH A LOUD VOICE, SAID: “FATHER, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT! ”

AND HAVING SAID THIS, HE BREATHED HIS LAST .

Here, his cry was Father Into Your Hands I Commit My Spirit . And Jesus stopped breathing. Not dead.

John 19:30 says: “WHEN JESUS HAD RECEIVED THE VINEGAR , HE SAID, “IT IS FINISHED”: AND HE BOWED HIS HEAD AND GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT. ”

as you can see sir, we learned from here that it was the effect of the vinegar that made Jesus lost consciousness . The writers of the Gospels, were careful not to say that Jesus died . Because they were not there . Especially the writers of the gospels of John, they stated it clearly that they did not witness the event themselves, they only wrote from the one who claimed to be the sworn witness -John 19:35. The writers were also in doubt.

When the soldiers came to check on those who were hanging on the three crosses, they broke the legs of the two thieves to hasten their deaths, because they were still Alive . But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs -John 19:31-33

From John19:33, we can see that it was the effect of the vinegar that made Jesus looked as if he had died.

The vinegar was a Miracle that saved Jesus leg from being broken.

Another evidence from John19:31-33 was that, the thieves were still Alive , that is to say, a three hour of crucifixion could not have killed Jesus. He did not die.

Another eye opener is John19:34.

It says : “BUT ONE OF THE SOLDIERS PIERCED HIS SIDE WITH SPEAR, AND AT ONCE, BLOOD AND WATER GUSHED OUT.”

Blood and water can only gush out from a person who is still much Alive, if Jesus had truly died, his blood would have been clotted .

Jesus was much Alive,

The spear did not touch his heart.

And when a person is unconscious, he looks like a dead person . Jesus only looked like a Dead person

GOD made it to appear like that to the soldiers.

Another evidence that clearly shows that Jesus could not have died on the cross within three hours Is the reaction of Pilate. Joseph of Arimathe’a went to Pilate, and asked for the body of Jesus. And Pilate Wondered if Jesus were already dead….-Mark15:43-44.

Pilate knew that it was impossible for Jesus to have died within three hours , something must be wrong somewhere , Pilate did not believe, he had to send for the centurion, he asked him whether he was already dead. And when he learned from the centurion that he was dead , he granted the body to Joseph -Mark16:44-45.

Let’s take notice of what the centurion said after Jesus breathed his last . In Mark 15:39, it says: “AND WHEN THE CENTURION, WHO STOOD FACING HIM, SAW THAT HE THUS BREATHED HIS LAST, HE SAID, ” TRULY THIS MAN WAS THE SON OF GOD! “.

did you notice that statement? Why did the centurion say, “TRULY, THIS MAN WAS THE SON OF GOD???

Could it not be that the centurion had pity for Jesus from the beginning???

The statement :”Truly, This Man Was The Son Of GOD “, simply means “GOD was Truly Behind The man”.

The Vinegar was the Miracle, and the centurion knew about the Vinegar, just to save him.

Remember how the centurion stood facing him, to make sure that he breathed his last -Mark 15:39. And when Jesus actually did, he became convinced that GOD was really with Jesus as Jesus escaped being killed, his leg was not broken as did to thieves.

Do you think the centurion who made such amazing remark would tell Pilate that Jesus was not dead yet, seeing people who were asking for his body??? The centurion would not do that.

In fact, GOD saved Jesus through the Vinegar and the centurion. Jesus escaped being killed.

If truly there was a prediction that says in the scripture that “His legs were not broken, that prediction would be referring to his escape from death.

Sir, Joseph knew that he did not pick the wrong body, neither did he pick a dead body. That ‘s why Nicodemus bought spices in which they wrapped his body with, where they laid him, the women also followed them to know the the tomb where Jesus was laid and how the body was laid, they returned, and prepared Spices and Ointments -Luke23:53-56.

The spices and ointments are meant for treating wounds, this shows that Jesus was not buried, he was laid in the tomb, and the tomb was a airy place.

On Sunday, when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought Spices, so that they might go and anoint him-Mark16:1.

Sir if Jesus was actually dead, would there be necessary for the women to go to the tomb with Spices and Ointments???

Spices and Ointments will only be necessary to treat the wounds .

Treating the wounds of a dead person will only amount to wasted efforts.

They knew that Jesus was still Alive, that’s why they brought the Spices and Ointments to help him treat the wounds . But they were surprised that the body was not found on getting to the tomb .

Another proof that shows that Jesus was Alive is John20:11-16. After the disciples had left the tomb, Mary Magdalene remained there weeping because she couldn’t find Jesus in the tomb where he was laid , but while she was weeping, Jesus came to her and asked her who was she looking for, she couldn’t recognize Jesus, she thought she was seeing a gardener .

Sir, if Jesus actually died and resurrected, why was he still looking like a gardener???

Don’t forget that you said earlier that” Jesus Christ was miraculously resurrected bodily from the dead and lives forever in a glorified, imperishable, indestructible yet tangible body. ”

So how come a resurrected Jesus was looking like a gardener???

And if Jesus truly resurrected, would there be any need for the stone to be rolled away from the tomb???

A resurrected body is spiritualised , therefore, a resurrected Jesus would not need a stone to be rolled away from the tomb before he gets out of it.

Sir Jerome Smith, you might not be satisfied with the clear evidences given here, but go through them over and over again, the Truth is clear from falsehood. There are so much more evidences from your own Bible that proves that Jesus did not die let alone being resurrected.

Waiting for your response on this before I continue.

 

My Response:

I have been away from this computer and especially Facebook for a day or so. Yesterday we had record warm temperatures in the midst of our winter here. I was able to walk just over two miles without extraordinary discomfort. You will recall that I had a bad slip and fall accident back on December 12, 2016 when I sprained my left ankle. I have been taking extra care to allow time for proper healing, and avoiding re-injury.

You have written some very good and most interesting responses above on this issue in the meantime. I was fascinated that you quoted from the Advanced Learner’s Dictionary. Because of my extensive studies in linguistics and grammar I have this dictionary in my personal library. It is close at hand, being on the bookshelf built into the desk where I sit to use my desktop computer. I also have the accompanying volume by A. S. Hornby, A Guide to Patterns and Usage in English, published by the Oxford University Press, first published in 1954. I have the tenth impression dated 1966. My dictionary is the second edition, 1963, the seventh impression, dated 1967. The definition you quote is longer than the one contained in my copy of Advanced Learner’s Dictionary, so you may have a later edition, or perhaps a different work with the same title. My dictionary is by A. S. Hornby, E. V. Gatenby, and H. Wakefield.

In an entry above you stated:

Sir Jerome Smith, Luke 16:22-31 has nothing to do with what happened to Jonah, it is talking about what will happen to the Righteous and the wicked after death.

My purpose in citing Luke 16 was to show that prayer does take place in Hades or Sheol. The persons Jesus spoke of as being in Hades had certainly died. I used that as evidence to show that since Jonah prayed while in Sheol according to Jonah 2:2, he had suffered physical death while in the great fish until God revived or resuscitated Jonah. I used the term “resuscitated” to signify that Jonah was brought back to physical life or mortal life (in this case a miracle performed by God), and so at some time future to that this restoration to mortal life ended with Jonah’s physical death, an event not recorded in the Bible.

Jesus cited the experience of Jonah as being in the great fish for three days and three nights (see Matthew 12:40) as the only sign or miracle that would be given as He answered the scribes and Pharisees. The scribes and Pharisees in their Messianic expectations were focused upon those prophecies in the Old Testament that speak of the glory and power of the Messiah. This should have demonstrated to the scribes and Pharisees that they focused on the wrong Messianic expectation chronologically speaking. They were unwilling to accept the body of Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament which portrayed the Messiah as coming first to suffer and die for the sin or sins of all mankind, and upon experiencing physical death of His human mortal body, that the Messiah would be raised from the dead in an immortal body. This order of prophetic events is carefully preserved in an unmistakable manner in several Old Testament passages.

I will get back to answer more of your very fine questions and challenges as soon as I am able to do so again. I am resting today from the extensive walking I did yesterday in that unusual warm weather. I took advantage of the nice weather when it was available.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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