The Non-believer’s Challenge:
The new testament is not a historical record. And is absolutely distorted drastically from its original copy.
David was a king. David did what kings do.
My Response:
There is no evidence that the New Testament was “distorted drastically from its original copy.” There is more and better manuscript evidence for the text of the New Testament than for any other ancient documents of important authors of similar age or older.
Non-believer’s Reply to Me:
The hell there isn’t.
Lie to me again.
My Response:
You might want to be very sure you have done your homework when it comes to studying about this subject!
Non-believer’s response to me:
as should you.
You spout pure nonsense.
It takes very little homework. The damn thing drastically distorts earlier writings and barely relates to the dead sea scrolls.
Not to mention. It changes names and tries to differ from actual historical writings about gods from the Egyptians that were rooted in polytheism. (That the new testament plagiarized).
See how that works?
Your god is literally a political promotion from and for man.
Again. It doesn’t require doing homework. Any quick and basic search will reveal Yahweh (/ˈjɑːhweɪ/, or often /ˈjɑːweɪ/ in English; Hebrew: יהוה) was the national god of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.
His exact origins are disputed, although they reach back to the early Iron Age and even the Late Bronze.
His name may have begun as an epithet of El, head of the Bronze Age Canaanite pantheon, but the earliest plausible mentions are in Egyptian texts that place him among the nomads of the southern Transjordan.
In the oldest biblical literature he is a typical ancient Near Eastern “divine warrior” who leads the heavenly army against Israel’s enemies; he later became the main god of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and of Judah.
Over time the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as the god of the entire cosmos, possessing all the positive qualities previously attributed to the other gods and goddesses.
By the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and the true god of all the world.
The King David version is not only a fabrication of ideological ideas. Its a perversion of the original text.
In the old testament, god was not only unloving, vengeful and completely different. Jesus was irrelevant.
It should be noted: The 1500 year-old Syriac bible discovered in Ankara, Turkey also indicates, Jesus Christ wasn’t even crucified.
The Abrahamic story as written by King David is a complete mess of garbled chaotic mythological beliefs used for the political control of the ignorant during a bronze and iron age era. (And up until today it would seem.)
To put any faith in it is utterly ridiculous.
I’ll also note: I’m not Atheist.
Now provide something supporting your dogmatic gibberish as being factually correct and historically correct so we can compare it to other writings, cultures and beliefs throughout history or consider your claim dismissed.
(Globally historical and recognized beliefs such as the Shang dynasty for example).
Hope you’ve done your homework, pal.
Believing in gods is one thing.
BUT
Believing in religion is stupid.
History is dictated by the victor and Christians were victorious for a few hundred years, depending on which sect of the cult you follow. (Islam would probably disagree).
Either way. Religion is political mythology used for control over the masses of the ignorant and is absolutely why the 3 major Abrahamic cults kill each other.
If there was an Abrahamic god. THAT SHIT WOULDN’T HAPPEN!
My Response:
I very much appreciate your taking time to share some specifics that reflect your view of the Bible.
My study sources do not support your view.
I have been reading two books by K. A. Kitchen. One is titled “On the Reliability of the Old Testament.” The other is titled “The Bible in Its World: The Bible & Archaeology Today.”
Both volumes report specific evidence that documents the historicity and truth of the Bible.
I will try to return to this discussion later to give more specifics.
Unbeliever’s Reply:
I couldn’t care less about what your studies support. My studies suggest otherwise.
In other words…
You have nothing and are spreading dogma.
(I suggest doing more homework).
You are dismissed.
Thanks for playing.
Note: I also couldn’t care less about K.A. Kitchen’s books or opinions.
Grab the 2 bibles yourself and compare the two. And compare them to other cultural beliefs during and prior to the Abrahamic wars and crusades.
Try thinking for yourself.
We all read books supporting our beliefs. I’m Pantheist.
Quick question or two.
Do you believe your politicians of today?
No?
Then why the hell do you believe them 1500 to 2000 years ago?
(Especially considering they argued using superstitions).
My Reply:
Thank you for sharing some of the books and authors that are of interest to you.
Bible writers were not politicians. Bible writers did not promote superstitions.
My beliefs are based on evidence.
Thank you for sharing the basis of your beliefs and worldview.
Unbeliever’s Reply:
Ok.. Who where the politicians back then?
What evidence?
You’ve literally provided nothing but dogma so far.
Thanks for playing.