Muslim challenge and Opening Post by TK:
Christians, you believe in every word attributed to Jesus in a book that is written by unknown Greeks, a book which has undergone numerous editions, is tested and found to contain additions, deletions, errors in translations, etc. Then why dont you believe in every word quoted of him in the Quran? You should have more faith in the Quran as speaking the truth about him since it’s a book written by God Almighty, the Creator of the Universe, and preserved by Muslims since Day 1.
The New Testament was written by eye witnesses to His majesty or by immediate followers of our Lord Jesus Christ during the first century, thus well within their living memory.
2 Peter 1:16
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
King James Version
Jesus (and other New Testament persons or events) is also mentioned by non-Christian sources within the first 150 years or so of His death and bodily resurrection which together verify the major themes or events recorded in the New Testament.
The Koran also mentions Jesus as an historical person, but written more than six centuries after the fact has no verifiable basis to claim to record His deeds or words independently of what is already recorded in the 27 primary sources now compiled as our New Testament.
AM response to me:
repeating a story doesn’t make it true (for most people ) & people were eyewitnesses to Jesus during his Ministry, but not his alleged ending.
My response to AM:
Just what do you mean by “his alleged ending”?
AM responded to me:
some people say he died, while he himself displayed he did not.
All had forsook Jesus & fled. They were not eyewitnesses to his most trying time.
My response to AM:
Your comment does not take into account the written record of where they fled to. Peter was at the scene of many of these happenings during the time he denied Jesus three times. The Apostle John was clearly at the scene when Jesus spoke from the cross regarding the care of His mother Mary. John gives further written testimony under oath in the Gospel of John. John gives further testimony of his eye-witness status in his letter, 1 John.
Jesus displayed the FACT that He was the very same Jesus who died on the cross when He appeared to His disciples who were in a locked room “for fear of the Jews.” He ate before them. He showed them His wounds, obviously now healed scars of the nails in his hands and feet. He said “Handle me and see that it is I myself,” a very emphatic expression.
The historical record we have does not support your claim that “some people say he died, while he himself displayed he did not.”
AM responded to me:
Jesus said he was alive during all that ; “for a spirit does not have flesh & bones”.
So, based on your argument & cross-referencing what the Greek Testament says, if any of the authors were in fact present (they weren’t ), they misunderstood what they witnessed.
This is actually what The Koran says about the events surrounding the alleged crucifixion of Jesus.
So, congratulations, you’re coming closer to being a Muslim.
My response to AM (Monday, 6-13-22):
If you know the Bible well enough you would know that spirits do not die, only bodies die. Jesus confirms this when He told the dying thief beside Him while on the cross,
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Among His final words on the cross, Jesus said:
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Jesus asserted, therefore, conscious life immediately after death.
But when Jesus appeared (just as He had repeatedly predicted, “the third day,” Luke 24:21, after His death and burial in Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb, Luke 23:50-56) after His bodily resurrection in the presence of His disciples,
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
To demonstrate He was not merely a spirit or apparition, Jesus responded,
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
The Koran denies that Jesus died on the cross. The Koran on this point is very mistaken.
The Koran denies the bodily resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and on this point the Koran is fatally mistaken.
Salvation is dependent upon our belief in these fundamental facts:
Romans 10:9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
Romans 10:10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (ASV)
1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
It is obviously a most dangerous thing to make God a liar by not believing the record that God gave of His Son.