The Problem of Lot’s Daughters

What the Bible says:

2Pe 2:6  And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

2Pe 2:7  And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

2Pe 2:8  (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

2Pe 2:9  The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

The Atheist Challenge:

If you are righteous like Lot, u can get away with death as punishment from having sex with your kids cause god is on your side.

The gospel of jesus 1.0

Debbie: Jesus! Why did you save lot & his daughters but killed all the sexually immoral and perverted people in Sodom & Gomorrah? (Jude 1:7)

Jesus: I saved them because it is not immoral if ever you want to have sex with your drunk father, Deb. (Genesis 19:34)

My response to the Opening Post:

What the Bible records is true history. The Bible nowhere suggests that we follow the bad examples of some of its characters. This may be another example to show that some atheists do not understand how to read the Bible and interpret it correctly.

MT responded:

thats why the bible is not in the history section in the library same as its not use as history book in history class

I responded:

Evidently you have not read the book titled The Bible as History.

MT replied:

like i said the bible is not in the history section same as its not use as history book in schools

I replied:

If you have spent time actually studying the Bible you would know that the Bible contains HISTORY, letters (epistles), law, and prophecy, and more.

So while you may not find the Bible located in the history section of a public library, that does not refute the fact that the Bible contains works of history within its many documents.

The history within the Bible has been carefully verified by current modern scholarship.

The many works written by K. Kitchen, including especially his book titled The Reliability of the Old Testament, are sufficient to document this.

Scholars working in the field of archeology have likewise demonstrated the accuracy of the history recorded in the Bible. I just finished reading a book yesterday by Eric Metaxas titled Is Atheism Dead? Part 2 of this book reports on the bearing of archeology on the truth of the Bible. I found Chapter 18, “The Discovery of Biblical Sodom,” to be most fascinating.

Chapter 9, “The Evidence of Archaeology,” relates the history of the discovery of the empire of the Hittites, once thought to be a mere Canaanite tribe. Some “scholars” of former generations mocked the Bible’s references to this great and powerful people.

Contemporary scientists have proven that the Biblical references to this history are correct. Because of my interest in linguistics, I was fascinated to learn that the Hittite language was an Indo-European language. At the time I taught courses in world history this was not yet known because the huge libraries of tablets found in Hittite libraries had not yet been translated.


MT replied:

no matter how long is ur reply, still not a is not use as reference book in history class and its not place in history section in the library. But only use as reference at churches and faith dscusions. Let me know if that fact changes

I responded:

It might be possible that you did not know that Biblical Christianity is the only fact-based religion. It is based upon the fact that certain events it records actually happened in history.

These events were seen and experienced by people who recorded the facts.

The evidence demonstrates the historicity of the record, including the bodily resurrection of Christ.

So while it may be true that the Bible is classified in the Dewey Decimal System as belonging to the 220 section in the library that hardly invalidates the fact that the Bible contains accurate history.

I responded:

Let me share the specifics of the book I alluded to in my earlier comment:

Werner Keller, The Bible as History: A Confirmation of the Book of Books. Translated by William Neil. New York: William Morrow and Company. (C) 1956. Fully revised by the author, 1964. 457 pages.

MT replied:

same answer, the bible is not used in history class and cant be found in history section in the library. But its in religious section togther with hindu books

My response:

It may be that you have not gotten the point even yet! I will try to help you.

Just because the Bible is found in libraries in the religion section, not the history section, does not deny the FACT that the Bible contains much history.

The Bible is so accurate in its recording of history that modern archeologists use it to guide their researches in the ancient land of Israel.

The Bible has been used to help with the original discovery of oil in the Middle East.

Both Judaism and Christianity are FACT-BASED religions. Their claims to truth are based upon the certainty and correctness of the history recorded in the Bible.

Hinduism and all other non-Judeo-Christian religions are not fact-based religions: that is, these religions are not staking their truth-claims upon historical events, if any, that they record in their sacred texts.

You mentioned that you studied comparative religions at Harvard University. Did they introduce you to the writings of Hendrik Kraemer?

He wrote a book titled World Cultures and World Religions: the Coming Dialogue.

Another title he wrote: Why Christianity of all Religions?

MT replied:

same no matter how u deny the fact

same answer, the bible is not used in history class and cant be  found in history section in the library. But its in religious section together with hindu books.

My response:

At least you have been consistent in your replies!

But notice that your replies give no evidence that you have either understood or have the ability to respond to my truth claims.

It ought to be obvious that your repeated fact that the Bible is classified in the library as a book of religion does not deny the fact that the Bible records accurate history.

Since the history the Bible records has been proven accurate, the claims of the Bible are true.

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