Ascension of Jesus not mentioned in the Four Gospels claim


The Muslim Claim:

Ascension of Lord Jesus
It is not mentioned in
Four Gospels
Translators changed text

My Response:

There is no credible documentary evidence that I have ever seen which would confirm your assertion.

Muslim Reply:

ASCENSION OF JESUS

Ascension of Jesus can’t be proved from the four gospels and Acts.

Matthew is completely silent on the subject.

John is also silent but it appears from his following statement that perhaps he did not want to go into the details. John 21:25

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

Mark tells his vision as he saw Jesus on the right hand of God.

The case of Luke and Acts is quite complicated. Both Luke and Acts were written by Luke and both did not mention Ascension in Greek version.

Luke and Acts were both modified by translators to include it.

Luke 24:50-51 is quoted as under according to Greek version.

“And he led out them until toward Bethny and lifting up his arms he blessed them. And it came to pass in the blessing him he withdrew from them while he blessed.”

To compare it, Luke 24:50, 51 is quoted hereunder:

“When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany he lifted up his hands (51) While he was blessing them he left them AND WAS TAKEN UP INTO HEAVENS”

The words in capital letters at the end of verse 51 were added by the translators.

Similarly in Acts 1:2 the words “he was taken up” had been added.

The above modifications have been discussed by famous Bible scholar Mr. F. F. Bruce, a professor of University of Manchester in his book titled The New Testament Documents. Are they reliable?

We quote page 24 of his book as under:

“When the four gospels were gathered in one volume it meant the severance together of the two parts of Luke history. When Luke and Acts were thus separated, one or two MODIFICATIONS were apparently introduced into the TEXT at the end of Luke and the beginning of Acts.

“Originally Luke SEEMS to have left all mention of ascension to his second treatise, now the words “AND WAS CARRIED UP INTO HEAVENS” were added in Luke 24:51 to round off the narrative and IN CONSEQUENCE “WAS TAKEN UP” was added to ACTS 1:2.

“Thus the  inconsistencies which some have detected between the accounts of Ascension in LUKE and ACTS are most likely due to the ADJUSTMENTS made when the books were separated from each other.”

The confession by F. F. Bruce about the modification in text by the translators is greatly appreciated as it reveals that in Greek manuscripts of Luke and Acts it did not existed.

The Ascension can’t be proved from gospels and we still have to search the place Jesus went after 40 days of his saving from death on the cross and coming out of Tomb!

My Refutation of Muslim Claim:

From the same book by F. F. Bruce:

The date of the writing of Acts will depend on the date we affix to the third Gospel, for both are parts of one historical work, and the second part appears to have been written soon after the first.

Bruce, F. F. (2018). The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? (pp. 17–18). Kingsley Books.

From the same book by Bruce:

When the four Gospels were gathered together in one volume, it meant the severance of the two parts of Luke’s history. When Luke and Acts were thus separated, one or two modifications were apparently introduced into the text at the end of Luke and the beginning of Acts. Originally Luke seems to have left all mention of the ascension to his second treatise; now the words ‘and was carried up into heaven’ were added in Luke 24:51, to round off the narrative, and in consequence ‘was taken up’ was added in Acts 1:2. Thus the incongruities which some have detected between the accounts of the ascension in Luke and Acts are most likely due to these adjustments made when the two books were separated from each other.

Acts, however, naturally shared the authority and prestige of the third Gospel, being the work of the same author, and was apparently received as canonical by all except Marcion and his followers. Indeed, Acts occupied a very important place in the New Testament canon…

Bruce, F. F. (2018). The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? (p. 30). Kingsley Books.

I choose to disagree with F. F. Bruce regarding his statement that “Originally Luke seems to have left all mention of the ascension to his second treatise” because:

(1) Regardless of the proposed status of Acts 1:2, the Ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ is reported in full later in the same chapter, Acts 1:9-11,

Act 1:9  And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10  And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11  Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

(2) What F. F. Bruce claims about the separation of the book of Acts from the Gospel of Luke,

“When the four Gospels were gathered together in one volume, it meant the severance of the two parts of Luke’s history. When Luke and Acts were thus separated, one or two modifications were apparently introduced into the text at the end of Luke and the beginning of Acts.”

assumes that Luke and Acts comprised a single manuscript volume. The likelihood of this is nil, because:

(a) Manuscript rolls were not made to be this length.

(b) The internal testimony of the text of Acts indicates it was written separately at a later time than Luke,

Acts 1:1  The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

(c) F. F. Bruce admits this in my first citation from his book above:

“The date of the writing of Acts will depend on the date we affix to the third Gospel, for both are parts of one historical work, and the second part appears to have been written soon after the first.”

(3) There is no textual evidence that supports Bruce’s claim that Luke originally had a different ending than it does now or that Acts had a different beginning than it does now. Bruce’s claim is based on conjecture not on textual evidence based on extant early manuscripts.

My statement can be verified by consulting Bruce Metger’s A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament with reference to Luke 24:51,

24:51 καὶ ἀνεφέρετο εἰς τὸν οὐρανόν {B}

Here א* and geo1 join D and ita, , , , , , in supporting the shorter text. (The Sinaitic Syriac condenses ver. 51 by omitting διέστη and εἰς τὸν οὐρανόν, reading ܘܟܕ ܒܪܟ ܐܢܘܢ ܐܬܪܝܡ ܡܢܗܘܢ “And while he blessed them, he was lifted up from them”; thus, though shortened, syrs still alludes to the ascension.) A minority of the Committee preferred the shorter reading, regarding the longer as a Western non-interpolation (see the Note following 24.53).

The majority of the Committee, however, favored the longer reading for the following reasons. (1) The rhythm of the sentence seems to require the presence of such a clause (compare the two coordinate clauses joined with καί in ver. 50 and in verses 52–53). (2) Luke’s opening statement in Acts (“In the first book, O Theophilus, I have dealt with all that Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when he was taken up [ἀνελήμφθη]”) implies that he considered that he had made some reference, however brief, to the ascension at the close of his first book. (3) If the shorter text were original, it is difficult to account for the presence of καὶ ἀνεφέρετο εἰς τὸν οὐρανόν in so many and such diversified witnesses, beginning with 75 about A.D. 200. (4) If the clause were a copyist’s addition, prompted by his noticing the implications of Ac 1:1–2 (see point (2) above), one would have expected him to adopt some form of the verb ἀναλαμβάνειν, used in Ac 1:2 and other passages referring to the ascension, rather than the less appropriate ἀναφέρειν, which in the New Testament ordinarily has the specialized meaning “to offer up.” Finally, (5) the omission of the clause in a few witnesses can be accounted for either (a) through accidental scribal oversight occasioned by homoeoarcton (καια … καια …) or (b) by deliberate excision, either (i) in order to relieve the apparent contradiction between this account (which seemingly places the ascension late Easter night) and the account in Ac 1:3–11 (which dates the ascension forty days after Easter), or (ii) in order to introduce a subtle theological differentiation between the Gospel and the Acts (i.e., the Western redactor, not approving of Luke’s mentioning the ascension twice, first to conclude the earthly ministry of Jesus, and again, in Acts, to inaugurate the church age, preferred to push all doxological representations of Jesus to a time after the ascension in Acts, and therefore deleted the clause in question as well as the words προσκυνήσαντες αὐτόν from ver. 52—for when the account of the ascension has been eliminated, the mention of Jesus being worshipped seems less appropriate).

Metzger, B. M., United Bible Societies. (1994). A textual commentary on the Greek New Testament, second edition a companion volume to the United Bible Societies’ Greek New Testament (4th rev. ed.) (pp. 162–163). United Bible Societies.

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Daily Bible Nugget #796, John 15:16

 

The Nugget:

Joh 15:16  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

The Muslim Challenge:

BIBLE: PRAYER FORMAT TAUGHT BY JESUS CHRIST
The prayer format taught to the disciples by Jesus Christ:

Luke 11:1-4
1 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2 And Jesus said unto them, When ye pray, say, “Our Father which Art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in Heaven, so in Earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.”
LUKE 11:1-4

TAKE NOTE:
1- There is no “in the name of Jesus” in the prayer format taught by Jesus;
2- The prayer format is directed straight unto God, without channelling it through any intermediary; not even through the pious mother of Jesus;

Please Christians;
– Who taught you to pray in the name of Jesus ??
– Who taught you to pray through an intermediary ??
– Why did you abandon the teachings of Jesus Christ ??

My Response to Muslim Challenge:

(1) Jesus Himself directed us to ask of the Father in His name:

John 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
King James Version

(2) Jesus is our intermediary:

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

There is no basis in Scripture to introduce additional intermediaries such as Mary the mother of Jesus or the saints. To do so is directly contrary to the explicit teaching of God’s Word in Scripture in this text, and contradicts the statement of Jesus that no one can come to the Father but through Him (John 14:6). Neither Mary nor any other saint in heaven is aware of what now transpires upon earth (Isa 63:16, 1Co 15:23), though they are very much alive (Luke 20:38; Luke 23:43 note).

(3) Bible believing, Bible studying Christians have not abandoned the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Until you experience the spiritual benefit and renewal that comes as a result of your own reading of the New Testament long enough each day (at least 20 minutes), often enough each week (at least 4 days a week) on a continuing basis, you will miss out on the salvation and spiritual growth that only our Lord Jesus can bring.

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This Needs to Happen More Often to More People

 

Today (November 7, 2023) marks the 70th anniversary of the day I first understood what I must do to be a genuine, born-again, Christian.

I had been reading a pocket New Testament daily since August of 1953. By Saturday morning of November 7, 1953, I realized that although I had attended Sunday school all my life, I had never committed my life to Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

That all changed when I stopped to pray for forgiveness and I received Christ as my personal Savior while delivering papers that cloudy Saturday morning. I have told my story many times here each November 7 anniversary date.

Not everyone enters a saving relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ the same way. Many genuine Christians may not remember the time, date, and place when their life was transformed by this experience.

Times are much different now than they were in 1953. Just the same, I believe there are many practical lessons from my experience that apply to people today.

(1) I was motivated to start a serious and continuing practice of reading the New Testament for myself because I had been challenged all too often by my excellent high school Sunday school teachers at the Highland Park Baptist Church, John Boykin and Dean Sawdon, with questions I could not answer about the Bible. Rather than continue to be embarrassed by my lack of knowledge of the Bible, I decided to read it and study it for myself in self-defense!

(2) At the same time, a wonderful neighbor, Mrs. Helen Cole, who lived kitty-corner across the street from my home, asked me to babysit her two young children. While in her home I found that she had several Bibles on a shelf in the living room. That is where I first saw a Bible with center-column cross references. I followed them and soon learned how they worked.

(3) I was in the Boy Scouts and Mrs. Cole asked me to be her “Den Chief.” She had a Cub Scout Den which met at her home and I assisted her during the Cub Scout meetings.

(4) Mrs. Cole invited me to attend the high school youth group at Thoburn Methodist Church. The church was just two blocks away from my home, so I started attending the Methodist Youth Fellowship (MYF) there on Sunday evenings before the evening service.

(5) About the second or third time I attended, I participated in a contest to see who would represent our MYF at the Holiness Youth Crusade annual Bible Quiz to be held on November 7, 1953. I won that local youth group contest–I’ve often thought the Lord had all the smarter young people stay home that day. The winner at the HYC rally at the Detroit Institute of Arts would receive a Bulova watch. I have never owned a Bulova watch, so you know I did not win the contest that day, but gained something better and more permanent! In preparation for that quiz I continued reading the New Testament diligently. I recall reading from Matthew to Revelation and then again from Matthew to 2 Corinthians from September through the first week of November.

(6) It was while thinking about what I had read in the New Testament that I realized that I had never committed my life to Jesus Christ. So the cloudy morning of the quiz date, I stopped on Lumpkin Street after crossing in the middle of the block. As I folded the next Detroit Shopping News paper, I paused under the oak tree in front of the next house and prayed. I  remember whistling the Gospel tune to “Now I belong to Jesus, Jesus belongs to me, not for the years of time alone, but for eternity” as I continued to deliver the rest of my papers.

I have since learned that researchers have found that anyone who will read the New Testament long enough each day (20 minutes or more, not necessarily all at one time), often enough each week (at least four days a week), consistently on a permanent basis, will experience real positive change in his or her life. I did that “by accident,” and have been reading the Bible ever since.

(7) From my Bible reading, I learned what it takes to receive eternal life. Just one verse in the Gospel of John tells enough for anyone to know what to continue to do:

Joh 5:24  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Cross Reference Bible Study for John 5:24 from:

The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge:

John 5:24
He that: Joh 3:16, Joh 3:18, Joh 3:36, Joh 6:40, Joh 6:47, Joh 8:51, Joh 11:26, Joh 12:44, Joh 20:31; Mar 16:16; Rom 10:11, 12, 13; 1Pe 1:21; 1Jn 5:1, 1Jn 5:11, 12, 13

and shall not: Joh 10:27, 28, 29, 30; Rom 8:1, Rom 8:16, 17, Rom 8:28, 29, 30, Rom 8:33, 34; 1Th 5:9; 2Th 2:13, 14; 1Pe 1:5

but: 1Jn 3:14

The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge:

John 5:24

Verily. +Joh 1:51

He that. T1119. ✓Joh 3:16; Joh 3:18; Joh 3:36; Joh 6:40; Joh 6:47; Joh 8:51; *Joh 11:26; Joh 12:44; ✓Joh 20:31; Mar 16:16; *Rom 10:11, 12, 13; ✓Rom 14:12; 1Pe 1:21; ✓1Jn 5:1; 1Jn 5:11, 12, 13

heareth. Joh 8:43; +*Luk 8:18

believeth. Joh 20:31; Act 16:34; 1Jn 5:9, 10, 11, 12, 13

hath. Eternal life is a present possession. ✓1Jn 5:13

everlasting. Gr. aionios, +Mat 18:8

and shall not. ✓Joh 10:27, 28, 29, 30; +*Joh 17:6; ✓Rom 8:1; Rom 8:16; Rom 8:17; Rom 8:28, 29, 30; Rom 8:33; Rom 8:34; ✓Eph 4:30; 1Th 5:9; *2Th 2:13; 2Th 2:14; 1Pe 1:5; *Jud 1:24

but. Mat 18:8; *1Jn 3:14

passed. ƒ144 (C1), +Gen 21:1

The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury: 

John 5:24
Verily. Joh 5:19, +Joh 1:51, +*Num 5:22, +Mat 5:18, +Mar 14:18.

He that. T1119, **Joh 3:16; **Joh 3:18; **Joh 3:36; Joh 6:40; Joh 6:47; Joh 8:51; *Joh 11:26; Joh 12:44; **Joh 20:31, Mar 16:16, *Rom 10:11, 12, 13; **Rom 14:12, 1Pe 1:21, **1Jn 5:1; **1Jn 5:11, 12, 13.

heareth. or, is hearing (Young). +Joh 8:43; Joh 12:37, 38, 39, 40, +**Isa 55:3, Mat 13:9, +*Mar 4:24, +*Luk 8:18, Act 3:22; Act 10:22, Rom 8:17, Heb 3:7.

my word. Gr. logos, Mar 9:32 note.

believeth. or, is believing (Young). +*Joh 3:16 note, Joh 3:36; **Joh 20:31, Act 10:43; Act 13:39; +Act 16:34, Rom 3:28; *Rom 4:5, Gal 3:22, Eph 2:8, 1Ti 1:16; **1Ti 4:10, Tit 3:8, Heb 6:1; *Heb 10:39, *1Pe 1:21, **1Jn 5:9, 10, 11, 12, 13.

that sent me. Joh 5:23; Joh 5:38.

hath. Eternal life is a present possession. Joh 5:26; Joh 5:39, +Joh 8:12, Luk 10:42, **1Jn 5:13.

everlasting. Gr. aionios, +Mat 18:8, Joh 3:15, 16; Joh 6:68, **Rom 6:23.

and shall not. **Joh 10:27, 28, 29, 30; +*Joh 17:6, Rom 5:1, 2; Rom 5:9; **Rom 8:1; **Rom 8:16; **Rom 8:17; **Rom 8:28, 29, 30; **Rom 8:33; **Rom 8:34, **Eph 4:30, 1Th 5:9, *2Th 2:13; *2Th 2:14, 1Pe 1:5, *Jud 1:24.

into condemnation. or, will not suffer the consequences of judging (Newman and Nida, UBS Handbook: John). The proper translation here is condemnation, not judgment (cf. Mat 25:31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46; Rom 14:10; 2Co 5:10). Note that comes not into condemnation is conditioned on keeps on believing! Thus the test of true eternal security is to love God and keep His commandments (1Jn 2:3; 1Jn 5:2) [LNT, fn x]. Joh 5:22; Joh 5:29, Joh 3:18, **Rom 8:1, Rev 20:11, 12, 13, 14, 15.

but. Mat 18:8, *Col 1:13, *1Jn 3:14.

is passed. or, has already passed. Gr. metabainō (S# G3327, Mat 8:34). FS144C1, +Gen 21:1, *Psa 37:28, Isa 45:17; Isa 51:6, Col 1:13, 1Jn 3:14.

from death. A reference to spiritual death. +Gen 2:17 note. Pro 8:36; Pro 21:16, Isa 9:2, +Eze 18:4; +Eze 18:21, Luk 15:24; Luk 15:32, Rom 5:15; Rom 6:13; Rom 8:6, 1Co 15:56 note. *2Co 5:14, *+Eph 2:1, 2, 3; *+Eph 2:5; Eph 5:14, Col 2:13, 1Ti 5:6, Jas 1:15; Jas 5:20, 1Jn 3:14, Rev 3:1.

unto life. Psa 133:3, Pro 16:22, Rom 6:4, 2Co 5:15, Col 1:13; Col 2:13; Col 3:3, 2Ti 1:1; 2Ti 1:10, 1Jn 3:14; *1Jn 5:12.

 

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Daily Bible Nugget #795, 2 Thessalonians 3:3

 

The Nugget:

2Th 3:3  But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. (KJV)

2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful. He will establish you and guard you against the evil one. (ESV)

2Th 3:3 But the Lord is true, who will give you strength and keep you safe from evil. (BBE, Bible in Basic English)

2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one. (NET Bible)

2Th 3:3 But the Lord is to be trusted, and He will give you strength and guard you from the evil one. (Williams NT)

2Th 3:3  But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and keep you safe from the Evil One. (GNB, Good News Bible)

2Th 3:3  But the Lord is faithful and will strengthen you and protect you against the evil one. (GW, God’s Word translation)

2Th 3:3 But the Lord can be trusted to make you strong and protect you from harm. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

Cross Reference Bible Study:

From The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge:

2 Thessalonians 3:3
the Lord: 1Co 1:9, 1Co 10:13; 1Th 5:24
stablish: 2Th 2:17
and: Gen 48:16; 1Ch 4:10; Psa 19:13, Psa 121:7; Mat 6:13; Luk 11:4; Joh 17:15; 2Ti 4:18; 2Pe 2:9; Jud 1:24

From The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge:

2 Thessalonians 3:3

the Lord. See on 1Co 1:9; ✓1Co 10:13; 1Th 5:24; *1Jn 1:9
stablish. See on 2Th 2:17; +*1Pe 5:10; +*2Pe 1:10
and keep. Gen 20:6; Gen 48:16; 1Ch 4:10; Psa 19:13; Psa 121:7; +*Mat 6:13; +*Luk 11:4 n. *Joh 17:15; *1Co 10:13; 2Ti 4:18; *2Pe 2:9; *1Jn 5:18; ✓Jud 1:24
from evil. 2Th 2:17; +Mat 13:19

From The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

2 Thessalonians 3:3
the Lord is faithful. Deut 7:9, See on +1Co 1:9; **1Co 10:13, 1Th 5:24, 2Ti 2:13, Heb 10:23, *1Jn 1:9.

stablish. See on 2Th 2:17, Deut 28:9, *Job 36:7, Psa 90:17, Pro 4:26, Rom 1:11; Rom 16:25, 2Co 1:21, *+1Pe 5:10, +*2Pe 1:10.

and keep. or, guard. Gr. phulassō (S# G5442, Mat 19:20). +*Gen 20:6; Gen 48:16, 1Ch 4:10, Psa 19:13; Psa 121:7, +*Mat 6:13, +*Luk 11:4 note. *Joh 17:12 g, Joh 17:15, 1Co 1:8; *1Co 10:13, +*2Co 13:7, 1Th 5:23, 2Ti 4:18, *2Pe 2:5 g, 2Pe 2:9, *1Jn 5:18, **Jud 1:24.

from evil. or, the wicked one. 2Th 2:17, Mat 5:37; +*Mat 6:13; +Mat 13:19, Luk 11:4, Joh 17:15, Eph 6:16, 1Th 2:18; 1Th 3:5, 1Jn 2:13, 14; 1Jn 3:12; 1Jn 5:18.

Here is the Luke 11:4 note:

lead us not. FS111, +Gen 18:27. Luk 8:13; Luk 22:40; Luk 22:46, +*Jer 29:11, Mat 6:13; *Mat 26:41, Mar 14:38, **1Co 10:13, 2Co 12:7, 8, **Jas 1:2; **Jas 1:13, 14, 15, 16, 17, Rev 2:10; +*Rev 3:10.

There is no suggestion intended here that God might “lead us into temptation.” The balanced sentence employs a contrast, where the first member (“lead us not into temptation”) is employed solely to emphasize the last member (“but deliver us from evil”). For other instances of this construction, see Joh 20:27, Rom 12:21, 1Co 10:24, 2Co 3:6, Eph 5:17, 18, Php 2:4, Col 3:2. Compare +**Mat 24:35 note and 2Ti 1:8 note.

Here is the Matthew 24:35 note:

shall pass away, but. FS111, Gen 18:27. This is most assuredly the Figure Meiosis, also known as Litotes (Luke 11:4 note), involving a Balanced Sentence where the first statement is contrary to fact or reality, and is used in a contrast to most strongly emphasize what is affirmed in the last statement.

In this form of statement the last statement is frequently introduced by the word but, which helps to mark this figure (see Isa 51:6; Isa 54:10, +Luk 11:4).

Scholars can wrangle with my assertion all they please; their contrary opinion only demonstrates they have not studied the Scriptures carefully enough. I have.

Jesus does not, and absolutely could not, affirm that heaven and earth will pass away. The expressions used here are frequently reflected elsewhere in Scripture (see the preceding Parallel Passages).

Surely our Lord Jesus Christ and His Jewish hearers, intimately acquainted with the Hebrew Scriptures (T1122, +**Joh 6:14), were aware of the context, for example, of **Psa 102:26 note as seen in Psa 102:28, something apparently missed by some modern scholars.

God’s Covenant Promises are absolutely guaranteed as being more sure than the promise that the earth abides forever and shall never perish, so sure are the sure mercies of David, mercies above and greater than the heavens (Psa 108:4); note carefully in the context of Psa 102:26 the statement of Psa 102:28 that the generations of “thy servants shall continue” (+**Psa 72:5) and be “established before thee”—surely the Bible writers who cite or allude to Psa 102:26 were most aware of its context and the assurance of Psa 102:28, so when Jesus states “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away,” His words are the guaranteed words of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants, which are more sure than the heavens and will certainly come to pass.

God Himself appeals to the promised eternal constancy of the universe (Jer 31:35, 36, 37) to affirm the absolute certainty of the “Sure mercies of David” (+**Isa 55:3).

To suggest the heavens or the earth shall literally pass away would violate the provisions of the Abrahamic Covenant (+**Gen 12:2 note) and the Davidic Covenant (+**2Sa 7:10 note), which would contradict the very character of God Himself (+*Mal 3:6), which is utterly impossible (+**Gen 18:25 note. +*Titus 1:2).

If our Lord Jesus Christ is to rule eternally here upon this earth in Jerusalem on the Throne of David forever over the whole earth (+**Isa 24:23, Dan 7:13, 14, +*Zec 14:9, +*Mat 5:5, **Luk 1:32; **Luk 1:33, Rev 11:15), then the earth as we know it will stand forever (**1Ch 16:30, **Psa 148:5; **Psa 148:6). Psa 58:8; +**Psa 108:4, +**Luk 1:32; +**Luk 1:33.

From A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures, on 2 Thessalonians 3:3,

2 Thessalonians 3:3

But the Lord is faithful (pistos de estin ho kurios).
But faithful is the Lord (correct rendition), with a play (paronomasia) on pistis by pistos as in Rom 3:3 we have a word-play on apisteō and apistia. The Lord can be counted on, however perverse men may be.
From the evil one (apo tou ponērou). Apparently a reminiscence of the Lord’s Prayer in Mat 6:13 rusai hēmas apo tou ponērou. But here as there it is not certain whether tou ponērou is neuter (evil) like to ponēron in Rom 12:9 or masculine (the evil one). But we have ho ponēros (the evil one) in 1Jo 5:18 and tou ponērou is clearly masculine in Eph 6:16. If masculine here, as is probable, is it “the Evil One” (Ellicott) or merely the evil man like those mentioned in 2Th 3:2? Perhaps Paul has in mind the representative of Satan, the man of sin, pictured in 2Th 2:1-12, by the phrase here without trying to be too definite.

 

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Daily Bible Nugget #794, Matthew 21:43

 

The Nugget:

Mat 21:43  Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

My Comment:

There is much misunderstanding about Bible prophecy today. Some of this mistaken understanding is inexcusable. Many who would try to interpret the Bible on this subject have simply not done their homework first!

There is an ongoing discussion on this site regarding a post I wrote about Genesis 12:3. This verse is very relevant to what is happening in Israel right now.

One of the participants in the discussion kindly referred me to a book that she believes refutes the positions I have taken about Bible prophecy on this site.

Here is my refutation of that book:

I have just finished reading The Parousia by James Stuart Russell. This book is 561 pages long, so it has taken me some time to carefully read and study it.

On this site in the October 2010 Archives I have posted 24 Rules of Interpretation which must be carefully followed in order to correctly interpret the Bible. Rule 9 states:

(9) You cannot leave out material which, if included, would require or necessitate a change in the interpretation. Mat 4:6.

As I read through The Parousia, I found that the author most helpfully arranged his discussion in the order of the New Testament books.

I eagerly looked forward to reading his discussion of a most important text found in Matthew 21:43,

Mat 21:43  Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The author makes no mention of this text anywhere in his book.

I have discussed this text at least three times on this site quite thoroughly:

Daily Bible Nugget #612, Matthew 21:43

Daily Bible Nugget #452, Matthew 21:43

Daily Bible Nugget #400, Matthew 5:20

Anyone who genuinely desires to understand Matthew 21:43 is encouraged and invited to read those three posts to learn more about what the Bible teaches about Bible prophecy.

Matthew 21:43 is a crucially important text about Bible prophecy and must not be neglected or avoided if we are to understand Bible prophecy correctly!

James Stuart Russell’s book, The Parousia, has this to say about the Antichrist:

 

ANTICHRIST NOT A PERSON, BUT A PRINCIPLE

1 JOHN 2:18.—‘Even now are there many antichrists.’

In the opinion of some commentators the name ‘the antichrist’ is supposed to designate a particular individual, the incarnation and embodiment of enmity to the Lord Jesus Christ; and as no such person has hitherto appeared in history, they have concluded that his manifestation is still future, but that the personal antichrist may be expected immediately before the ‘end of the world.’ This seems to have been the opinion of Dr. Alford, who says:—

‘According to this view we still look for the man of sin, in the fulness of the prophetic sense, to appear, and that immediately before the coming of the Lord.’*

There is here, however, a strange confounding of things which are entirely different,—‘the man of sin’ and ‘the apostasy;’ the former undoubtedly a person, as we have already seen; the latter a principle, or heresy, manifesting itself in a multitude of persons. It is impossible, with this declaration of St. John before us,—‘Even now are there many antichrists’—to regard the antichrist as a single individual. It is true that in every individual who held the antichristian error, antichrist might be said to be personified; but this is a very different thing from saying that the error is incarnate and embodied in one particular person as its head and representative. The expression ‘many antichrists’ proves that the name is not the exclusive designation of any individual.

Russell, J. S. (1878). The Parousia: A Critical Inquiry into the New Testament Doctrine of Our Lord’s Second Coming (pp. 331–332). Daldy, Isbister & Co.

Even though Mr. Russell does quote the entire text of 1 John 2:18 a few pages back, he quotes only the latter part of the verse at the head of this discussion. Of course the first part of the verse contradicts what Mr. Russell has to say about the second part of the verse.

Mr. Russell makes frequent reference to Matthew 24:3,

Mat 24:3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

He very correctly points out that the “end of the world” should be translated “end of the age.”

Mr. Russell also points out that the word “end” here translates the Greek word “sunteleia,” but here he goes astray. Mr. Russell fails to point out that “sunteleia” refers to the conjunction of two ages, the culmination of one age and the beginning of another age.

I placed this note in The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury at Matthew 24:3,

the end. Gr. sunteleia, *S# G4930. The joining of two ages, the consummation or completion of the various parts of a scheme. Vine states “The word does not denote a termination, but the heading up of events to the appointed climax” (Dictionary, vol. 2, p. 27).

Preterists like Mr. James Stuart Russell make the astonishing claim that all the prophecies Jesus gave in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21 were completely fulfilled by 70 AD, the Fall of Jerusalem. For Mr. Russell, this includes what Jesus said to the High Priest and Sanhedrim as recorded in Matthew 26:64,

Mat 26:64  Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Other related texts make the same prediction:

Matthew 24:30
30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
King James Version

Luke 9:26
26  For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.
King James Version

Luke 17:24
24  For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
King James Version

The text that Mr. Russell believes requires this immediate fulfillment to be witnessed by at least some of those who heard Jesus give this Olivet Discourse is Matthew 16:27, 28,

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Mat 16:28  Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

I have furnished the following note for Matthew 16:28 in The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and also The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

see. Note: This appears to refer to the mediatorial kingdom which our Lord was about to set up, by the destruction of the Jewish nation and polity, and the diffusion of the gospel throughout the world.

The preceding original Comprehensive Bible note reflects a mistaken prophetic position still held by some Amillenarian interpreters, answered directly by Peters (Theocratic Kingdom, vol. 2, Proposition 153, Observation 4, Note 4, p. 562), who states “who urge the destruction of Jerusalem (which John only survived) as the fulfillment (of Mat 16:27, 28).

How this can be reconciled with a coming in glory, with a coming of the Son of Man (i.e. in His humanity), etc., we are not informed.

More than this: this coming is specifically predicted, over against all such assertions, to be one, not for the destruction of Jerusalem but for its salvation, as e.g. Psa 102:16, “when the Lord shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory,” with which compare Mic 3:12 in connection with following chapter; Zechariah 14; Amos 9:11, etc.”

In context, however, the experiences on the mount of transfiguration reported in chapter 17 may be the fulfillment of this prophecy. Peters also notes in connection with the transfiguration, that “the glorified condition of Christ, Moses, and Elias thus indicates…the futurity of the Kingdom.—a Kingdom not to be realized at the First Advent in humiliation, not during the absence of the Bridegroom, but at the Second Advent, when He and His saints come ’in glory.’”

The transfiguration furnished “an earnest, actual reception of glory,” and served as “a most direct proof that the covenant and prophets would yet be fulfilled.”

The transfiguration reveals the relationships of those who will be with Christ in his future eternal earthly kingdom. Peter, James, and John, represent unglorified, mortal men living on the earth, who personally witness and rejoice in the manifested glory of the Messiah.

Jesus is personally present in this kingdom in His state of glory, as are Moses and Elias, who also appeared “in glory.” Moses and Elias are purposely chosen as a correct exhibition of the two parties, forming one class, who shall appear in glory with Christ: (1) the dead saints, and (2) the living saints translated. Peters notes that the transfiguration “stands forth, pre-eminently, as a Divine confirmation of the Theocratic Kingship of Jesus, of the glory of His saints, and of the happiness of the nations who shall witness it—a fact so striking and corroborative of the ultimate Redemption of saints and of the race, that Peter seizes upon it as a grand proof that Jesus shall come unto so great Salvation” (Theocratic Kingdom, vol. 2, p. 561).

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Daily Bible Nugget #793, 2 Corinthians 5:15

 

The Nugget:

2Co 5:15  And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

The Muslim Challenge:

Top 100 Reasons, Reason 33, Jesus Was Never Crucified, Killed, Died For Others
Jesus’ Sign Is Not Same As Jonah’s Sign!

Matthew 12:38-40 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

– The sign of Jonah, he was in the belly of fish for three days and three nights (Jonah 1:17)

– Jesus was not in the tomb three days and three nights as Matthew 12:38-40 indicates. According to Christians and the authors of the New Testament believe that Jesus was buried on Friday evening, he came out of the tomb Sunday morning (Matthew 28:1, Luke 24:1, John 20:1, Mark 16:2)

– If Jesus of the Bible was buried on Friday evening and came out from the tomb Sunday morning, that cannot be three days and three nights, but it’s two nights and one day, so he was in the tomb Friday night and Saturday night, he was not in the tomb Sunday night, he was only one full day in the tomb, which is Saturday

– Christians try to twist so they can defend Matthew 12:38-40, by saying he was in the tomb three days, it’s like you work half day for three days in a row and you say to people that you work three days in a week, they forget that Jesus of the Bible also said; ‘three nights’ he cannot be in the tomb three days unless he has to be in the tomb for three nights, which makes the total three days and three nights

– Jonah didn’t die when he was in the belly of fish, according to Christians Jesus died in the tomb, the sign is man made same as the unknown crucifixion

– If we follow Matthew 12:38-40, Jesus didn’t die same as Jonah. Salvation through man made, otherwise Jesus prophesied fase prophecy, Deuteronomy 18:22 and Ezekiel 14:9 is the answer

The truth has come and falsehood has vanished, indeed falsehood is a vanish thing!

 

My Answer to the Challenge:

You and many others have made a mistake about how long Jesus was in the tomb as well as what day He died on the cross and was subsequently buried.

The key to the proper chronology is found in Luke 24:21 where the two disciples state “and beside all this, today is THE THIRD DAY SINCE these things were done.”

They said this on the Sunday that Jesus arose bodily from the dead. Jesus was not limping along as he joined their company and entered into conversation with them. Jesus arose in a glorified body that while it still showed his scars, the scars were healed.

If Sunday was the third day since, then
Saturday was the second day since, and
Friday was the first day since, so that
Thursday was the actual day of His crucifixion and death.

To suggest that Jesus did not die for others totally contradicts what the New Testament record teaches:

2 Corinthians 5:15
15  And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
King James Version

Dig deeper by studying the cross references for 2 Corinthians 5:15 as given in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

2 Corinthians 5:15
he died. Eph 5:2.

for all. Many imagine that, because Christ has died for all, all shall be saved; but redemption is by no means so extensive as the curse (Charles Simeon on Gal 3:13). +*2Co 5:14 note. +*Rom 5:18, 1Co 1:13, %*Gal 2:20, 1Th 5:10, +*1Ti 2:6, +*Heb 2:9.

that they. 2Co 3:6, Deut 32:6, Eze 16:6; Eze 37:9; Eze 37:14, Hab 2:4, Zec 10:9, Luk 15:24, Joh 3:15, 16; **Joh 5:23; **Joh 5:24; Joh 6:57, Rom 6:2; Rom 6:11, 12; Rom 8:2; Rom 8:6; Rom 8:10; *+Rom 14:7; *+Rom 14:8, **1Co 6:19; **1Co 6:20, *Gal 2:20; Gal 5:24, 25; Gal 6:14, Eph 5:14, Col 2:12; *Col 3:1, 2, 3, 1Pe 4:6, 1Jn 4:9; 1Jn 5:18.

which live. or, the living. 1Co 4:11, Col 2:13, *1Jn 5:12; *1Jn 5:13.

henceforth. 2Co 5:16, 2Ki 5:17, Rom 6:6, Eph 4:17, 1Pe 1:14, 15; *1Pe 4:2, 3, 4.

live unto themselves. Deut 32:6, 1Sa 12:10, *Mat 25:40, Luk 1:74, Rom 6:2; Rom 6:13; Rom 12:1; Rom 14:7, 8, 9; Rom 14:13, 1Co 6:20; 1Co 10:33, Gal 2:19; Gal 6:14, Php 1:20, 21; Php 2:21, Col 3:17; Col 3:23, 1Th 5:10, 1Ti 5:6, 2Ti 3:2, *Tit 2:14, Heb 13:20, 21, Rev 1:18.

but unto him. 2Co 4:5; 2Co 8:5; 2Co 12:10, +*Gen 49:10, Exo 21:5, Deut 6:5, Psa 26:3; Psa 116:12, Pro 23:26, Zec 7:5, Mat 10:37; Mat 25:40, Mar 12:17, Luk 4:39, *Joh 12:32; Joh 13:17; Joh 14:15; Joh 14:21; Joh 21:15, Rom 14:8, 1Co 6:13, *Gal 2:20, Eph 3:21, Php 2:21; Php 3:7, 8, 1Th 1:3, 2Th 2:1, Heb 13:13, 1Pe 1:8, 1Jn 4:19.

which died for them. Deut 32:6, 1Co 1:13.

rose again. Joh 14:19, *+Rom 4:25; Rom 6:10, 1Co 15:17, Php 3:10.

Dig yet deeper by studying the cross references and the note given for 2 Corinthians 5:14 as found in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

2Co 5:14  For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

2 Corinthians 5:14
the love. 2Co 8:8, 9, Gen 29:20, Exo 21:5, Deut 6:5, Jdg 16:15, Psa 26:3, Song 1:4; Song 5:2; Song 7:12; Song 8:6, 7, Hos 11:4, Mat 10:37, 38, Luk 7:42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, Joh 14:15; Joh 14:21, 22, 23; *Joh 15:12; *Joh 15:13; Joh 16:27; Joh 21:7; Joh 21:15, 16, 17, Rom 8:35; Rom 12:1, 1Co 16:22, Gal 5:6, *Eph 3:17, 18, 19; Eph 6:24, 1Th 1:3, 2Ti 1:13, +*Heb 6:10, *1Pe 1:8, *1Jn 3:16; *1Jn 4:19.

of. FS181E, +Gen 3:24.

Christ. Eph 4:20; Eph 5:2.

constraineth. Gr. sunechō (S# G4912, Luk 4:38). Gen 19:3, 1Sa 28:23, 2Sa 23:16, 1Ch 11:18, Job 32:18, Psa 116:12, Pro 7:21; Pro 23:26, Isa 11:6, +Luk 4:38 g. Luk 8:45 g. Luk 24:29, *Act 4:19; *Act 4:20; *Act 16:15; +Act 18:5; Act 20:22.

because. Rom 2:2, 1Co 2:14.

if. FS184A, +1Co 15:2.

one died. Rom 5:15; Rom 14:9, Rev 1:18.

for all. Exo 12:6, Isa 53:6, %Mat 20:28; %+*Mat 26:28 note. Joh 1:29; Joh 11:50, 51, 52, Rom 5:18, **1Ti 2:6, *Heb 2:9, **2Pe 3:9, **1Jn 2:1; **1Jn 2:2.

then were all dead. Are all dead? Clearly the Bible teaches that all are dead in trespasses and sins (+*Rom 5:12, **Eph 2:1). As many as are classed as “dead,” just so many Christ has died for; thus Christ has died for all, without limitation. 2Co 3:7; 2Co 3:9, Eze 37:11, Hos 13:1, Luk 15:24; Luk 15:32, Joh 5:25; Joh 11:25, *Rom 5:12; *Rom 5:15; Rom 8:3; Rom 14:7, 8, 9, *Eph 2:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, Col 2:13, 1Ti 5:6, Tit 3:3, 1Jn 5:19.

My Comment:

I encourage all who may read what I have posted here to carefully consider that we need to be motivated by the love of Christ for us as well as our love for Christ and what He has done for us.

Much misunderstanding of the Bible and what it actually teaches arises from our failure to do our homework! We need to go back to the Bible itself and learn what it actually teaches. Though the godly pastors and sincere teachers who have taught us the Bible have greatly blessed us all, neither they nor ourselves are perfect in our knowledge.

We need to accept correction from God’s Word, the Bible, as we take time daily to read and study it more.

2Pe 3:18  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

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Daily Bible Nugget #792, John 14:27


The Nugget:

Joh 14:27  Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

From Ken Sagely’s Facebook Post:

How sweet the name of Jesus Sounds!

MARK 6.50
For they all saw Him, and were TROUBLED.
And immediately He talked with them,
and saith unto them, Be of good cheer, it is I; be not afraid

LUKE 10.41
And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and TROUBLED about many things.

LUKE 24.38-39
And He said unto them, Why are you TROUBLED? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

JOHN 14.27
Peace I leave with you, my peace i give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be TROUBLED neither let be afraid.

1 PETER 3.14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness sake, happy are ye and be not afraid of their terror, neither be TROUBLED.

How Sweet the Name of Jesus Sounds in a believers ears!
It soothes his sorrows, heals his wounds, and drives away his fear.
it makes the wounded spirit whole and calms the troubled breast:
’tis manna to the hungry soul and to weary breast!

Dig deeper by reading the cross references for John 14:27 from the Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

John 14:27
Peace I leave. or, bequeath. FS171I9B, +Isa 57:19, *Joh 16:33; Joh 20:19, 20, 21; Joh 20:26, +Gen 43:23, *Lev 26:6, *Num 6:26, Deut 33:1, Jdg 6:23; Jdg 18:15 mg. Jdg 19:20, 1Sa 25:6, Ezr 5:7, Psa 29:11; Psa 72:2, 3; Psa 72:7; Psa 85:8; Psa 85:10, +*Psa 119:165; Psa 122:7; Psa 125:5, +*Isa 9:6; +*Isa 9:7; **Isa 26:3; **Isa 26:12; Isa 32:15, 16, 17; Isa 54:7, 8, 9, 10; Isa 54:13; Isa 55:12; Isa 57:19, Dan 10:19, *Zec 6:13, *Luk 1:79; *Luk 2:14; Luk 10:5; *Luk 24:36, +*Act 10:36; Act 16:36, Rom 1:7; Rom 2:10; +Rom 5:1; +Rom 5:10; *Rom 8:6; Rom 14:17; Rom 15:13, 1Co 1:3, 2Co 1:3, 4, 5; **2Co 5:18, 20, 21, Gal 1:3; Gal 5:22; Gal 6:16, Eph 2:14, 15, 16, 17; Eph 6:23, Php 2:1; **Php 4:7, Col 1:2; Col 1:20; *Col 3:15, 2Th 1:2; 2Th 3:16, Heb 7:2; Heb 9:17; Heb 13:20, 1Pe 5:14, Rev 1:4.

my peace. The Prince of Peace (Isa 9:6) alone can give true peace (CB). Joh 16:33; Joh 20:19; Joh 20:21; Joh 20:26, +*Eze 37:26, +*Mic 5:5 note. Mat 11:29, Luk 24:36, Eph 2:17, *Php 4:7, Col 3:15.

I give. Joh 10:28, Num 6:26, +*Psa 37:11, Hag 2:9, *2Th 2:16.

not. Joh 16:22, Job 34:29, Psa 28:3; Psa 73:3, 4, 5; Psa 73:16, 17, 18, 19, 20, **Pro 14:13, Jer 6:13, 14, Lam 3:17, Dan 4:1; Dan 6:25, *Luk 12:18, 19, 20, 2Co 6:10.

world. Gr. kosmos, +Mat 4:8.

Let not your heart. +Joh 14:1, Joh 16:6; Joh 20:13, 2Ch 14:11; 2Ch 20:30, *Mat 6:34; *Mat 24:6, Mar 13:7, 2Th 2:2, 1Jn 4:18.

be troubled. Mt 24:6. Mk 6:50. 13:7. Lk 10:41. 24:38, 39. 2 Th 2.2. 1 P 3:14.

afraid. Lev 26:36, Deut 1:21; Deut 31:6, Psa 11:1; Psa 27:1, 2; +**Psa 34:4; Psa 56:3; Psa 56:11; Psa 91:5; Psa 112:7; +Psa 118:6; +*Psa 119:165, Pro 3:25, *Isa 12:2; Isa 13:7, 8; Isa 41:10; Isa 41:14; *Isa 51:12, Jer 1:8, Eze 2:6, Mat 8:26; *Mat 10:26, 27, 28, Mar 4:40, *Luk 12:4; *Luk 12:5; Luk 21:9, Act 18:9, +**2Ti 1:7, +*Heb 13:6, 1Pe 3:14, Rev 2:10; +*Rev 21:8.

 

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Daily Bible Nugget #791, Isaiah 49:6

10-9-23 Daily Bible Nugget #791, Isaiah 49:6

The Nugget:

Isa 49:6  And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. (KJV)

Isa 49:6  The LORD said to me, “I have a greater task for you, my servant. Not only will you restore to greatness the people of Israel who have survived, but I will also make you a light to the nations—so that all the world may be saved.” (GNB, Good News Bible)

Isa 49:6  Now, the Lord says, “You are not just my servant who restores the tribes of Jacob and brings back those in Israel whom I have preserved. I have also made you a light for the nations so that you would save people all over the world.” (GW, God’s Word translation)

Isa 49:6 Now the LORD says to me, “It isn’t enough for you to be merely my servant. You must do more than lead back survivors from the tribes of Israel. I have placed you here as a light for other nations; you must take my saving power to everyone on earth.” (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

The Muslim Challenge:

PAUL THE FOUNDER OF CHRISTIANITY

JESUS WAS NOT SENT TO THE GENTILES BECAUSE HE DIDN’T SPEAK OR UNDERSTAND ANY OTHER LANGUAGE EXCEPT ARAMAIC AND HEBREW

Ezekiel 3:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

AND HE SAID TO ME, “SON OF MAN, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then GO AND SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.

4 HE THEN SAID TO ME: “SON OF MAN, GO NOW TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND SPEAK MY WORDS TO THEM. 5 YOU ARE NOT BEING SENT TO A PEOPLE OF OBSCURE SPEECH AND STRANGE LANGUAGE, BUT TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL

NOT TO MANY PEOPLES OF OBSCURE SPEECH AND STRANGE LANGUAGE (GENTILES), WHOSE WORDS YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND.

THAT IS WHY HE WAS SENT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL ONLY NOT TO THE GENTILES

GOD SENT JESUS TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL

Matthew 15:24

Jesus said:

“I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL.”

1 Corinthians 9:17

Paul said:

IF I PRECH VOLUNTARILY, I HAVE A REWARD; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me.

Romans 15:20

Paul said:

It HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY AMBITION TO PREACH THE GOSPEL WHERE CHRIST WAS NOT KNOWN, SO THAT I WOULD NOT BE BUILDING ON SOMEONE ELSE’S FOUNDATION.

2 Corinthians 1:19

Paul said:

For the SON OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST, WHO WAS PREACHED AMONG YOU BY US —BY ME AND SILAS AND TIMOTHY

PAUL PREACHED HIS OWN GOSPEL

Romans 16:25

Now to him who is able to strengthen you ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL

PAUL BLASPHEMED BY ABOLISHING THE LAW AND COMMANDMENTS OF GOD

Romans 6:14

Romans 13:8

Ecclesiastes 12:13

1 John 2:4

Deuteronomy 11:26, 27, 28

1 Corinthians 9:20

PAUL CONVERTING THE GENTILES TO BE CHRISTIANS

Acts 26:28

THEN Agrippa said to PauL, DO YOU THINK THAT IN SUCH A SHORT TIME YOU CAN PERSUADE ME TO BE A CHRISTIAN?”

1 Corinthians 3:10

Paul said:

I LAID a FOUNDATION AS a EXPERT BUILDER, and SOMEONE ELSE IS BUILDING ON IT. But EACH ONE SHOULD BUILD WITH CARE.

Ephesians 2:20

Paul said:

BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets, WITH CHRIST JESUS himself as the CHIEF CORNERSTONE.

1 Corinthians 3:6

Paul said:

I PLANTED THE seed, Apollos WATERED IT.

Luke 8:17

Luke 12:2

Mark 4:22

2 Peter 3:16

HE (PAUL) writes the same way in all his (PAUL’S) LETTERS, speaking in them of these matters. HIS LETTERS CONTAIN some things that are hard to understand, WHICH IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, AS THEY DO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.

HOW MANY OTHER SCRIPTURES ARE DISTORED ACCORDING TO PETER?

 

MY RESPONSE:

Wrong again!

Jesus was multi-lingual.

The usage of figures of speech in the New Testament record of what Jesus said is firm evidence that Jesus understood and could speak Greek. The figures of speech Jesus used work only in the Greek language, not the Aramaic language. In the community where Jesus grew up, Greek was the language of the business community. Remember Jesus worked as a carpenter just as Peter and other disciples of Jesus were fishermen. They needed to know Greek to conduct business in the community where they lived and worked.

Wrong again about Messianic prophecy:

Isaiah 49:6
6  And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
King James Version

Wrong again about the mission of Jesus being exclusively to the Jews. The Bible principle of “to the Jew first, then also to the Gentile” conforms to the command of Jesus given in Acts 1:8,

Acts 1:8
8  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
King James Version

As for your citation of Matthew 15:24, you are WRONG AGAIN because you have taken this verse out of context. Other evidence in the New Testament clearly shows that Jesus ministered to non-Jews before and after the incident described in Matthew 15:24.

Jesus did not always limit or restrict his ministry to none but the Jews:

(1) He also ministered to Gentiles as here (Matthew 15:22, 24, 28).

(2) He healed the centurion’s servant (Mat 8:13);

(3) He declared his Messiahship to the Samaritan woman at the well (Joh 4:25, 26), and as a result of her vibrant testimony Jesus was asked by the townspeople of the Samaritan city of Sychar to stay two more days with them, which he did, and many of them believed (Joh 4:42).

(4) When Jesus healed the ten lepers, one of them was a Samaritan, the only one who returned to give thanks (Luk 17:11, 12; Luk 17:15, 16).

Christ’s directive (Mat 10:5, 6) that his disciples minister only to the lost sheep of Israel and not enter into any city of the Samaritans nor go in the way of the Gentiles was clearly a directive for that immediate mission, and does not mark a permanent policy of the ministry of Christ that limited His work only to the Jews. It is most clear that Christ came to save the world, not merely the lost sheep of the house of Israel, for He commanded that His Gospel be proclaimed to every creature (Mat 28:19; Mar 16:15; Luk 24:47; Joh 1:29; Joh 3:16; Joh 4:42; Act 1:8; 1Jn 2:2).

You are WRONG AGAIN in your understanding and application of 2 Peter 3:16 when you state and ask:

“HE (PAUL) writes the same way in all his (PAUL’S) LETTERS, speaking in them of these matters. HIS LETTERS CONTAIN some things that are hard to understand, WHICH IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, AS THEY DO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.
HOW MANY OTHER SCRIPTURES ARE DISTORTED ACCORDING TO PETER?”

You have just done what Peter condemns–you have distorted the Scriptures–to your own destruction.

Peter is not faulting Paul for the problem of others misreading and misunderstanding Paul’s writings. The problem resides with faulty readers, not Paul, whose very writings are here regarded by Peter to be Scripture.

My hope is that you will receive the corrections to your misunderstanding of the Bible so you will not continue to distort the Scriptures but understand them correctly.

To understand the Bible correctly, I suggest that you read the New Testament all the way through from Matthew to Revelation.

I suggest that you read the Bible long enough each day (at least 20 minutes a day and more when possible). Read the Bible often enough each week (at least four days of the week). Continue to read the New Testament this way from now on.

It will bring you hope and salvation. It will bring you peace and comfort. It will bring you assurance that you have eternal life and that your sins have been forgiven. Read the Gospel of John extra times through.

That is what I did starting in 1953, now 70 years ago. I am still reading the Bible daily. Just as it has helped me and changed my life for the better, reading the Bible can do the same for you.

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Daily Bible Nugget #790, Jeremiah 17:14

The Nugget:

Jeremiah 17:14  Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.

From Ken Sagely’s Facebook Post:

THE Source of Praise

Deuteronomy 10.21
He is thy praise, and He is thy God, that has done for thee these great and terrible things, which thine eyes have seen.

PSALM 7.17
I will Praise the LORD according to His righteousness: and will sing Praise to the name of the LORD Most  High.

PSALM 21.13
Be Thou exalted, LORD, in Thine own strength: so will we sing and praise Thy power.

PSALM 34.1-3
I will bless the LORD at all times: His praise shall continually be in my mouth
2 My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear and be glad.
3. O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together.

PSALM 48.1
Great is the LORD, and greatly to be Praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of His holiness.

PSALM 86.12
I will Praise Thee, O LORD my GOD, with all my heart: and I will glorify Thy name forevermore.

PSALM 104.1
Bless the LORD,O my soul, O LORD my God, Thou art very great:  Thou art clothed with honour and majesty.

1 PETER 1.3
Blessed be the God and Father of our LORD Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy hath  begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
( Blessed be God, Peter exclaims, for I have been born again not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of GOD, which liveth and abideth forever. 1Pe 1.23)

AMAZING GRACE
Amazing grace, how sweet the sound–that
saved a wretch like me I once was lost but
now am found, was blind but now I see.
Twas grace that taught my heart to fear
and grace my fears relieved how precious
did that grace appear the hour I first believed.

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Daily Bible Nugget #789, 1 Corinthians 4:6

 

The Nugget:

1Co 4:6  And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. (KJV)

1Co 4:6 I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. (ESV)

1Co 4:6  Brothers and sisters, I have applied this to Apollos and myself for your sake. You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. Then you won’t arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. (GW, God’s Word translation)

My Comment:

About 10 days ago (October 12, 2023) I commented several times in a discussion about the fact that we are not to add to or subtract from what the Bible states.

I learned from the Opening Post that 1 Corinthians 4:6 is a passage which affirms this Bible truth–something I had missed in my own Bible reading and study until now. It is always good to learn new things from the Bible as we continue to read it.

From the Opening Post:

The Bible alone is the final authority.

We are also told “Do not go beyond what is written” (1 Corinthians 4:6). That means not to add to Scripture so-called sacred tradition, the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers, the Book of Mormon, Qur’an, or anything else. ALL Christian doctrine, correction, training in righteousness and reproof must come from the BIBLE alone to be valid (2 Timothy 3:16, 17).

IF your spiritual beliefs are not based on Scripture, they are NOT TRUE. IF your salvation is not based on Scripture, it is NOT real!

RD commented:

“Bible alone” has many loop holes. It is mere self interpretations.

 

My reply to RD:

The Bible interprets and explains itself. A mistaken interpretation of a particular verse, passage, or Bible theme or subject will be corrected for the honest reader when a full comparison of all related Scriptures is made, and the Rules of Interpretation are carefully followed.

 

Administrator replied to me:

I truly wish this was true, but it clearly is not. The fact that well-meaning and well read Protestants disagree with one another on the meaning of biblical passages should suffice to prove that Scripture isn’t self-interpreting.

Look at the fruits of self-interpretation. People starting churches with no guidance than their own interpretations of scripture, possibly leading others to heresy without even realizing it.

RD responded to Administrator:

this is totally true

I responded to Administrator:

You are totally mistaken. You state:

“The fact that well-meaning and well read Protestants disagree with one another on the meaning of biblical passages should suffice to prove that Scripture isn’t self-interpreting.”

Being “well-meaning and well read” has no relationship to whether they are carefully following the rules of interpretation I have specified and repeatedly alluded to.

“Look at the fruits of self-interpretation. People starting churches with no guidance than their own interpretations of scripture, possibly leading others to heresy without even realizing it.”

You are committing the fallacy of equivocation. I am using the expression “The Bible interprets and explains itself” in an altogether different sense than your inaccurate restatement of my claim using your term “the fruits of self-interpretation.”

The fact that some churches or denominations have been founded on the basis of “self interpretation” has absolutely no bearing upon the fact that the Bible is a self-interpreting, self-correcting Book. There is no evidence that shows that such churches or denominations are basing their foundation upon the careful kind of Bible study I am commending when I state:

“The Bible interprets and explains itself. A mistaken interpretation of a particular verse, passage, or Bible theme or subject will be corrected for the honest reader when a full comparison of all related Scriptures is made, and the Rules of Interpretation are carefully followed.”

Here are the links to the 24 Rules of Interpretation I have mentioned:

Thank you for your kind response to my comment.

Administrator responded to me:

if this is true, then show me specific examples of churches who do follow your rules of interpretation.

It is not a false equivocation to state that if the Bible interprets itself, then it would be manifest in churches that align with each other through that self interpretation.

I mean no disrespect, am I appreciate your opinion, there’s just too many variances of opinion throughout Protestantism on key doctrines to state that the Bible is self interpreting.

Which group of Protestants would you say is adhering to the rules of interpretation? I don’t see any.

My response to Administrator:

All churches and denominations are likely to be provably mistaken on some part of their understanding, interpretation, and application of the Bible. I believe this is true of the Roman Catholic Church as much as any other because by official Roman Catholic teaching about one of a very few Bible verses they have taken an official stand on, they are absolutely wrong. The verse I am referring to is John 3:5.

I am not referencing churches which follow the Rules of Interpretation. I am referencing the need of individual Bible readers to follow the rules of interpretation.

Authoritative teaching or authoritative interpretation is not an institutional matter but a matter of arriving at the correct interpretation of what the Bible teaches using the Rules of Interpretation. That way, we as Bible believing Christians can make an accurate judgment as to the correctness and truth of what any church or other source of teaching presents.

Administrator responded to me:

so then what is the role of the church? Are there any churches who follow the rules of interpretation? Is salvation then only for those who can read and interpret the Bible? Who decided on these rules?

Not to pepper you with questions, but assuming everyone who opens a Bible will innately apply these rules as they read is far fetched, and I would say, applying a level of complexity to salvation that is not God’s intention.

My response to Administrator:

Thank you for your good questions!

What is the role of the church?

The church as well as individual Bible-believing, Bible obeying Christians ought to be obeying the commands of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (KJV)

Mat 28:19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. (DRB, Douay-Rheims Bible)

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (ESV)

Thus, we are to make disciples. I have placed a very complete list of the commands of Christ in a note at 1 John 2:3 in my book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge.

There are many commands of Christ recorded in the New Testament, but the chief of them is stated in 1 John 3:23,

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Notice the words “one another.” I placed this note and associated cross references in my digital Bible study resource, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

one another. Reciprocal pronoun, accusative case, plural number, masculine gender. The reciprocal pronoun reinforces the notion that love must be “both ways,” or reciprocated, so mutually displayed by believers in the Christian fellowship. 1Jn 4:11, +Rom 12:5; +**Rom 15:7, 2Jn 1:5.

Another proper role for the church that is largely neglected is specified in the command recorded in Romans 15:7. Most churches are not structured for fellowship whereby members and newcomers can get acquainted with each other such that all feel welcome, all are encouraged, all are discipled, all are taught how to read and study the Bible so they can feed themselves spiritually, all are taught hermeneutics (the Rules of Interpretation) so they can know that they understand the Bible correctly, all are taught apologetics (1 Peter 3:15; 2 Peter 1:16) so they can defend the faith and answer the questions others may have about the faith (Jude 1:3).

Rom 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God. (KJV)

Rom 15:7 Wherefore, receive one another, as Christ also hath received you, unto the honour of God. (DRB)

Rom 15:7 Honor God by accepting each other, as Christ has accepted you. (CEV, Contemporary English Version)

Reading the cross references I have assembled for Romans 15:7 will show just how important obeying and practicing this command is:

receive. %Rom 1:31 mg, Rom 12:10; Rom 12:13; *Rom 14:1-3; Rom 16:2, Exo 20:12, Lev 19:3, Job 19:3; +*Job 31:32, **Psa 15:1; **Psa 15:4; %+*Psa 31:11; Psa 34:21; Psa 91:1 note. +**Psa 119:63; Psa 119:74; Psa 133:1; +*Psa 142:7, **Jer 15:16 note. **Jer 37:14 note. Eze 34:4, Mal 1:6; +*Mal 3:16, *Mat 10:14; *Mat 10:15; *Mat 10:40-42; Mat 18:5; Mat 25:35; Mat 25:40; Mat 25:43; Mat 25:45-46, Mar 6:11; *Mar 9:37-41, *Luk 9:5; *Luk 9:48; Luk 10:8; Luk 10:10; Luk 10:16; Luk 10:38-39; Luk 15:2, Joh 13:20; Joh 13:34, *Act 9:17; *Act 9:26-28; *Act 9:43; *Act 11:1; *Act 11:25; *Act 11:26; Act 15:4; *Act 16:15; +Act 17:5; +Act 17:7; Act 21:17, +*1Co 12:21, +*2Co 6:9; +*2Co 6:17; 2Co 7:2; 2Co 7:15, Gal 6:1, Php 2:29, Col 2:19 note. Col 4:10, 1Ti 5:17, Phm 1:12; Phm 1:17, Heb 13:1-2, 1Pe 2:17; 1Pe 3:8; +*1Pe 4:8-10, **1Jn 1:3 note, 1Jn 1:7 note. 1Jn 3:14, %2Jn 1:10; %2Jn 1:11, %3Jn 1:8-10.

The symbols mean:

* clear verse

**critically clear verse–don’t miss reading it

+ find more at this reference on this theme

% contrasting verse

+** very extensive set of cross references at this verse

Not many may take the time to read all these cross references, but those who do will learn just how important this theme is.

I look forward to coming back to answer more of your very good questions.

More of my response to Administrator:

You ask:

“Are there any churches who follow the rules of interpretation?”

There well may be individual pastors and their congregations who are aware of these things.

There are significant modern authors who have written textbooks on the subject that are used in seminaries across the country. I have some of those textbooks in my Logos Bible software library.

They go into much more depth than the 24 Rules of Interpretation I have written. But I believe that anyone can make use of the list I have given to help make sure they are following the principles needed to correctly understand the Bible.

More of my response to Administrator:

You ask:

“Is salvation then only for those who can read and interpret the Bible?”

If a person is in the position that he or she cannot read the Bible, they ought to be able to hear it read.

Readers and non-readers must learn to discern truth from error.

The basic knowledge required for salvation would be quite clear to anyone who can read or listen.

The Rules of Interpretation are guidelines for solving complex or more difficult questions should these be encountered.

Still more of my response to Administrator:

You ask:

“Who decided on these rules?”

I made a list of such basic rules of interpretation when I was still a high school student at Cass Technical High School in Detroit where I was a student in the electrical and electronics curriculum.

The first Christian book I bought was a large volume by Milton S. Terry titled Biblical Hermeneutics. I saw it for sale on a shelf at the Grand Bible and Bookstore in Highland Park, Michigan. I also bought a copy of the original Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. I often studied the Bible about three hours a day using the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. I read Milton S. Terry’s book three times while I was in the eleventh grade, if I recall correctly.

When I became an English teacher at Cass Technical High School I used my list of Rules of Interpretation to help my students see the basis for judging the quality and validity of an interpretation of a work of poetry or short story. I shared that list of rules with many of my classes for the rest of my teaching career.

A Graduate School professor at Wayne State University in a seminar I participated in was shocked and in horror when I described the procedure I used to teach poetry. She thought hermeneutics was only used for the theological interpretation of religious works like the Bible.

I discovered years later that well before that seminar I had purchased a book but had not yet read it that fully affirmed the methods I used to teach poetry and interpretation.

It turns out that the author of that book taught poetry the same way I did. The name of that book is Practical Criticism: A Study of Literary Judgment. It is authored by I. A. Richards.

The back cover reads:

“Mr. Richards is a master of the psychology of criticism” –Saturday Review

“I have set three aims before me,” says the author of this famous book, one of the landmarks of twentieth century criticism. “First, to introduce a new kind of documentation to those who are interested in the contemporary state of culture whether as critics, as philosophers, as teachers, as psychologists, or merely as curious persons. Secondly, to provide a new technique for those who wish to discover for themselves what they think and feel about poetry (and cognate matters) and why they should like or dislike it. Thirdly, to prepare the way for educational methods more efficient than those we use now in developing discrimination and the power to understand what we hear and read.”

The edition of the book I have was published by Harcourt, Brace & World, Inc., HB 16 Harvest Books, 1956. Originally published in 1929. 362 pages.

Mr. Richards was part of a school of thought that included the scholars and translators behind the Bible in Basic English.

In any case, my point is that these principles of interpretation are well known and are used in interpreting literature and actually any written or oral communication, whether the law or the weather report.

MW asserted:

Show me in the Bible that the Bible is the final authority.

“If you have a different view than the Apostles you are not more holy than the Apostles. You are wrong.” Father Josiah Trenham

MW to Opening Post author:

do not add or take away is not the same as the Bible is the final authority. Where does it say in the Bible that the Bible is the final authority? It doesn’t. Your whole post is bearing false witness and you know it

My reply to MW:

It may be that you are not as knowledgeable of what the Bible actually teaches as you need to be when you state above:

1. “so show me in the Bible that it says the Bible is the final authority”

The Bible most certainly says it is the final authority:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (KJV)

That this is the very subject addressed in Isaiah 8:20 is confirmed by reading the immediate context:

Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
Isa 8:17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.
Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (KJV)

They will say to you, “Seek oracles at the pits used to conjure up underworld spirits, from the magicians who chirp and mutter incantations. Should people not seek oracles from their gods, by asking the dead about the destiny of the living?”
Isa 8:20 Then you must recall the LORD’s instructions and the prophetic testimony of what would happen. Certainly they say such things because their minds are spiritually darkened. (NET Bible)

Many other statements in Scripture tell or warn us not to add to God’s Word:

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (KJV)

Cross references given for Proverbs 30:6 lead to many more statements in the Bible that teach we are not to add to God’s written word in the Bible. See Deuteronomy 4:2. 12:32. Ecclesiastes 3:14. Isaiah 29:13. Matthew 15:9. Galatians 1:8, 9. 2 Peter 3:15-18. Jude 1:3. Revelation 22:18, 19.

2. “I’ve proven the Bible is not the final authority.”

It is not possible to “prove” the Bible is not the final authority when the Bible itself states in many places that it IS the final authority.

Jeremiah 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

BZ replied to me:

the OP said, THE BIBLE ALONE is the final authority.

Even using OP criteria, because he mentioned about rosary for an example not in the bible.

I will asking you now, where in the bible has says the bible ALONE is the final authority to The Church of Christ????

My reply to BZ:

The very verses I quoted from Isaiah 8:20 and context as well as Proverbs 30:5-6 assert that we are to go by the Bible alone.

“Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (KJV)”

1Co 4:6 I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. (ESV)

Clearly, “what is written” refers to what is written in Scripture. See 1 Corinthians 1:19, 31. 3:19, 20.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (KJV)

2Ti 3:14 However, continue in what you have learned and found to be true. You know who your teachers were.
2Ti 3:15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures. They have the power to give you wisdom so that you can be saved through faith in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 Every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God’s approval.
2Ti 3:17 They equip God’s servants so that they are completely prepared to do good things. (GW)

Holy Scripture is the only source of doctrinal and spiritual authority for the Christian. This passage teaches the sufficiency of Scripture: Scripture furnishes all that the Christian must know to be saved and to grow in grace, and tells us all we need to know to live a life which is well pleasing to God. No source of doctrine or revelation outside of Scripture is valid, for such a source would be adding to the written word of God, which is absolutely forbidden by Scripture (Rev 22:18).

BZ responded to me:

About rev 22:18.

that is about the prophecy in the book of revelation that revealed to apostle John not about the bible alone as the final authority.

Revelation 22:18
[18]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Now, which man/who has the authority to interpret the bible and how the earliest church doing that?

here another question.

Is the church give authority by The Lord in the bible?

My response to BZ:

You ask the interesting question, “Who has the authority to interpret the Bible?”

Anyone who is reading or hearing the Bible with some degree of understanding the Bible is interpreting the Bible. This is true of reading all written language, literary or non-literary.

The key issue arises when there are differences between or among readers of the Bible, differences in understanding or interpretation.

Given two differing or even contradictory interpretations of the same text, it is possible, by using what I call the Rules of Interpretation, to determine which, if either, is correct.

As for the authority and correctness of the earliest church, the same Rules of Interpretation apply. The interpretations recorded and affirmed in the Bible itself are correct. All other interpretations must be carefully checked against and compared to the teaching of the Bible itself by comparing Scripture with Scripture taking into account the immediate, near, remote, and total context of Scripture.

Is the church given authority by the Lord in the Bible?

No new revelation is valid beyond the lifetime of the original authoritative teaching of Jesus himself and his chosen and commissioned apostles as recorded in the 27 first century historical documents which now comprise our New Testament, to which may be added the Hebrew Scriptures used by the Jews in Israel in the time of Christ, which comprise the 39 books of our Old Testament.

As to the applicability of Revelation 22:18, it certainly applies to the book of Revelation itself. But its application is not limited to the book of Revelation alone because of the many parallel Scriptures which state the same principle.

I agree with the sentiments of Matthew Poole when he remarks about the applicability of this warning text:

“Divines generally do further extend the sense of these two verses, considering this as the last portion of holy writ, not only placed last in our Bibles, but revealed and written last. They conceive these verses the seal of all canonical Scripture, and that God here denounces a curse to those who shall pretend any new revelations of his will… as also against all those who shall deny, corrupt, or deprave any part of them.”

BZ asked:

so how we can know which interpretations the correct one if anyone that reading the bible and with some degree of the understanding got their own interpretations?

Because one person can interpreted the bible based on one verse, or more but the interpretation would be differs from each other?

Any solution to this, or perhaps looking from outside the bible?

I answered:

For the most part, the solution to solving and resolving differences in proposed interpretations will be found within the Bible itself by carefully comparing Scripture with Scripture. I find the most helpful way to compare Scripture with Scripture is to make use of Bible study resources designed to supply what are called cross references for each verse in the Bible.

I make use of the free Bible study software program available from e-Sword. It includes a resource titled The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. This resource is also available as a printed book. I have written three published expansions of The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge titled (1) The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (1992, newly released in 2023); (2) The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury (2016, digital premium module available for the e-Sword Bible software program); (3) Nelson’s Cross Reference Guide to the Bible (printed book, 2007, no longer in print).

I have compiled a list of 24 Rules of Interpretation available in the October 2010 Archives section of my Real Bible Study dot com website. These rules are a summary statement of the principles of Biblical hermeneutics, the science and art of interpretation employed in both Bible and literary interpretation.

Correct interpretations align with those rules while mistaken interpretations violate them.

There are indeed many published resources which can help Bible readers understand the cultural background of the Bible, the original languages of the Bible, the archaeological findings which illuminate Bible times and confirm the historical accuracy of the Bible, and much more.

BZ asked:

can anyone that even using your rules of interpretation and compare other verses, will make other persons interpreration as same and not to make any mistake interpretations?

I answered:

For the most part, yes.

Some individuals have their minds made up already.

Those who are able to consider that they might be mistaken and are open to modifying their views and understanding of the Bible will change their mind when presented with an interpretation which is based upon better evidence than the mistaken view they originally held.

BZ responded:

ok thanks for your replies.

I responded to BZ:

Thank you for asking such good questions!

I responded to MW:

Roman Catholics quote 2 Thessalonians 2:15 to argue we must follow tradition in addition to the Bible. Read this verse again in the English Standard Version:

2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

Notice whose traditions we are commanded to follow: the teachings (the meaning of the underlying Greek word translated traditions) of the Apostles of Christ.

These teachings are found in one place only: the 27 primary source first century historical documents contained in the New Testament and nowhere else.

Defenders of Roman Catholicism, known as Roman Catholic apologists, engage in a logical fallacy called the fallacy of equivocation which means in this case they set forth an argument about tradition but use the word in two quite different meanings.

Roman Catholics are required to believe the ever-changing and expanding unwritten traditions which the Roman Catholic Church claims to possess. The Bible uses the term in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 to refer to the oral teachings and written letters and documents of the Apostles which are now contained in their final and unchanging form in the New Testament.

My comment elsewhere in the discussion thread:

I believe the Bible clearly asserts that it is the final and only authority:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (KJV)

Isaiah 8:19 They will say to you, “Seek oracles at the pits used to conjure up underworld spirits, from the magicians who chirp and mutter incantations. Should people not seek oracles from their gods, by asking the dead about the destiny of the living?”
Isa 8:20 Then you must recall the LORD’s instructions and the prophetic testimony of what would happen. Certainly they say such things because their minds are spiritually darkened. (NET Bible)

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