Daily Bible Nugget #485, Hebrews 12:14 Part 8

The Nugget:

Heb 12:14  Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (KJV)

Heb 12:14 Try earnestly to live at peace with every one, and to attain to that purity without which no one will see the Lord. (TCNT)

My Comment:

The Twentieth Century New Testament gives “purity” as the translation of the underlying Greek word that the King James Version translates as “holiness.”

Matthew 5:8, one of the “beatitudes,” records that Jesus said “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.” The writer of Hebrews may have had this text in mind when he spoke of “holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.”

Jesus stated this truth positively, whereas the writer of Hebrews stated it negatively. This illuminates an interesting principle of Bible study: when reading a text that presents a positive truth, consider re-framing the truth as a negative statement. So, when Jesus says “blessed are the pure in heart,” think: what if a person is not pure in heart? Then follow with “for they shall see God,” and clearly those who are not pure in heart shall not see God, which is just what Hebrews 12:14 states.

Note also that what Jesus said is stated as a cause/effect relationship:  “Blessed are the pure in heart” is the cause; “for they shall see God” is the effect or result. Watch for this kind of statement; it is found all through the Bible. I have listed all the cause/effect verses that I have found in an extensive note about Bible study at Psalm 9:10, a verse which is a very striking and instructive example, in The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, in Nelson’s Cross Reference Guide to the Bible, and most completely in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury.

I have been illustrating how to apply in a practical way the truth about holiness expressed in Hebrews 12:14 by explaining and applying the words of the great Gospel hymn, “Take Time to Be Holy.”

The third and final stanza of this hymn reads:

Take time to be holy.
Let Him be thy guide;
And run not before Him,
Whatever betide.

In joy or in sorrow,
Still follow thy Lord
And, looking to Jesus,
Still trust in His Word.

How may we “Let Him be [our] Guide”? The words of the hymn that follow explain just how to do that:

(1) “run not before Him” –don’t go off on your own tangent without seeking and following His guidance. Sarah made that serious mistake when she, impatient and not waiting on the Lord to fulfill His promise of a child to Abraham by her, directed Abraham to have a child by her handmaid Hagar, and we are still suffering from the consequences of that bad decision very much even today. So, no matter what befalls you, “whatever betide,” don’t repeat the mistake Sarah made! Study the subject of Divine Guidance in the Bible by looking up the cross references given for such a verse as Psalm 32:8. Consult my extensive notes about Divine Guidance as they are given at 1 Kings 12:7 and 1 Kings 12:10; 1 Kings 13:9 and 1 Kings 13:18 in The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, or Nelson’s Cross Reference Guide to the Bible, or The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury. These notes are also posted here in the October, 2017 archives. I wrote a full article titled “Divine Guidance” on October 27, 2017. This is a most important study. Be sure to look there to study this subject more fully! Link: http://www.realbiblestudy.com/?p=2453

(2) “In joy or in sorrow, Still follow thy Lord” –No matter what you face in life, remain faithful and follow the Lord. In Bible doctrine this is known as the “perseverance of the saints.” That means we stay faithful to Christ, no matter what comes our way. Those who truly continue to believe on Christ and in Christ continue to persevere. See Philippians 2:12, 13, and many other related passages, including Hebrews 10:38, 39.

(3) “And, looking to Jesus, Still trust in His Word” –“Looking to Jesus” includes continuing to hear His voice (John 10:27, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me”). And where do we hear His voice? Only in the Bible. We must continue to not only read but actually study His Word to be grounded securely in our faith (Colossians 1:23; Colossians 2:7).

This completes my informal exposition of Hebrews 12:14 by means of explaining the words of the hymn, “Take Time to Be Holy.” I trust you have gained new insight into what is involved in pursuing holiness, “without which no man shall see the Lord” (Hebrews 12:14).

It has taken some time for me to write this entire series in eight parts. I know my wife will be glad to have her favorite hymnbook back so she can play the hymns she likes on her piano once again!

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Daily Bible Nugget #484, Hebrews 12:14 Part 7

The Nugget:

Heb 12:14  Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (KJV)

Heb 12:14 Try to live at peace with everyone! Live a clean life. If you don’t, you will never see the Lord. (CEV)

My Comment:

I have been using the words of the hymn “Take Time to Be Holy” to help explain what it means to be holy and how to be holy. I have begun to explain the second stanza,

Take time to be holy.
The world rushes on;
Spend much time in secret
With Jesus alone.

By looking to Jesus,
Like Him thou shalt be;
Thy friends in thy conduct
His likeness shall see.

What does it mean, “By looking to Jesus”?

There is much in the Bible that sheds more light on what it means to look to Jesus. A study of Hebrews 12:2 and its cross references will lead you to what the rest of the Bible says:

Heb 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 

Looking. or, Looking away from (these witnesses). Gr. aphoraō (S# G872, only here), to consider attentively (Strong). Looking away translates aphorōntes from aphoraō, compounded of apo, from, and horaō, to view with undivided attention; thus to look away from all distractions and problems with eyes fixed on Jesus. Cf. Heb 10:32 showing the reason for their persecution and the need to keep their eyes fixed on Jesus (LNT, fn z). T1369, *Heb 12:3, +*Heb 9:28; Heb 11:26, 27; Heb 13:8, Num 21:8, 9, Job 19:26, *Psa 17:15; Psa 34:5; Psa 123:2; Psa 130:6, *Isa 8:17; *Isa 31:1; *+Isa 45:22, *Mic 7:7, *Zec 12:10, Mat 10:24, *Joh 1:29; *Joh 1:36; *Joh 3:14; *Joh 3:15; *Joh 6:40; *Joh 6:65; *Joh 8:56; Joh 10:4; Joh 13:14; Joh 19:5, Rom 8:34, 1Cor 13:12, 2Cor 3:18; *2Cor 4:18, Php 2:23; *Php 3:13; *Php 3:20, +*2Tim 4:8, **Titus 2:13, *1Jn 1:1, 2, 3, *Jude 1:21.

If we truly look exclusively (John 14:6; Acts 4:12) to Jesus for our salvation, and continue doing so on a daily basis, then His likeness will be seen in us by others.

One of the clearest and most striking verses in the Bible about this is 2 Corinthians 3:18,

2Co 3:18  But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Notice the expression “are changed.” Literally translated, this text reads “are transformed.” The Holy Spirit transforms the life and character of each person who truly believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit produces in each believer the “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5:22, 23, 24, 25).

The Bible explains itself to a far greater degree than most Bible readers are aware. Studying the cross references for a word or theme in the Bible will lead to many other related verses you might not ever think of on your own. Here are the cross references for 2 Corinthians 3:18, “are changed.”

are changed. or, transformed. Gr. metamorphoomai (S# G3339). 2Cor 5:17, Psa 85:13, %+*Jer 2:5, Ezek 36:26, Mat 17:2 g (transfigured). Mar 9:2 g. *Joh 17:17, Rom 5:5; *+Rom 8:29; Rom 12:2 g (transformed). Rom 13:14, +*1Cor 6:11; 1Cor 15:49, Gal 6:15, Eph 4:22, 23, 24; Eph 5:8, Col 3:10, +*1Th 2:13, Tit 3:5, **2Pe 1:4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, *+1Jn 3:2; *+1Jn 3:6.

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Which Bible is best for Bible study?

My valued Facebook friend, with whom I rarely can agree, lately stated on Facebook,

“For those who care I’m beginning to see the KJV is more for me and closer to the originals (that we know of).

Here is my comment on that thread:

On this point, I must say that I fully agree with you about the value of the King James Version after my many years of scholarly study on this issue.
I have studied the works of Bruce Metzger and other scholars like D. Carson (who wrote an excellent short book on exegetical fallacies) and many more besides in my Logos Bible software library. I do not at all concur with their arguments and findings about what is the best original text to follow for the Greek New Testament.
A major reason involves the rather logical question about how modern scholarship (so-called) can justify or even trace the genealogy of the manuscript tradition they select to find or support the readings they propose. The short answer is they can’t and they don’t. Very recent research on this issue has demonstrated that when an older manuscript (which is still extant) has been copied and we have the copy that was made from it too, the tendency of scribes is to shorten the text not lengthen it.
This is a most interesting finding.
As a retired English teacher I find that the language of the King James version is superior to that employed in modern translations from a literary point of view. I know of other scholars who agree with me.
The King James Version preserves many more of the figures of speech present in the original Hebrew in particular but also in the original Greek than most modern English versions and translations do.
This is most important when you want to actually study the Bible, not merely read it.
Figures of speech are used for emphasis and clarity. Most modern translations, for example, miss the word “know” or “knew” in Genesis 4:1 and elsewhere in the Old Testament. Some translations translate the meaning of the figure rather than trying to reproduce it in English. This helps the reader understand the meaning but blocks the reader from recognizing the figure when used elsewhere where it is rendered differently, so the reader misses the connection.

Modern Bible translations do have better and older manuscript witnesses to the text of the Greek New Testament than were available to the King James translators. But in many instances, the King James translators were better in their judgment about the choice of underlying text to translate.
All translations and versions of the Bible are helpful and should be consulted for the additional insights they provide. But I think it is good to have a more literal translation from which to start your study. For me, that is the King James Version. For greater understandability, I use the CEV (Contemporary English Version) and the NLT (New Living Translation). For the most accurate rendering of the nuances of the Greek text of the New Testament, I use the Lavender’s New Testament.

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Just Whose Land is It Anyway?

The Nugget:

Deu 32:43  Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people. (KJV)

Deu 32:43 Tell the heavens to celebrate and all gods to bow down to the LORD, because he will take revenge on those hateful enemies who killed his people. He will forgive the sins of Israel and purify their land. (CEV)

My Comment:

Another person posted a comment on the Facebook discussion thread that my immediately preceding post addresses. In actuality, I have usually spent more time reading the arguments against what I believe than I have spent reading the sources that support what I believe. I learned to do that when I participated in high school and college debate teams and tournaments. I also have the most recent modern scholarship about the Bible that is available in my over 12,000 volume Logos Bible software library. I have a print library about the Bible that is almost that large and there is not much overlap or duplication between my two libraries.

The Challenge:

Here is the comment:

Jerome Smith, If you have studied scripture for numerous years, you should well know that it is majorly anonymous and the tales in the OT are stories lifted from prior religious sources and set to a Jewish backdrop. This in order to lift an encumbered nation to the status of its surrounding enemies. If you do NOT know this, all of your study is “Bigly”…(Bigly is a Trump-ism…LOL) under researched. Any scholar not given over to Christian funded support of their research will gladly inform anyone that asks of this, or these fact(s). The bible cannot carry the day on issues concerning “land”, “who owns it”, “who it is deeded to”, “manifest destiny”, etc. It is NOT a legally binding will or document, and should not be treated as such. Thanks.

My Response:

I have studied these matters long enough to know better than to believe the falsehoods you suggest above. If what you say above represents what you believe about the Bible, then it is clear to me that you have been deriving your information from what I call “poisoned wells” of information.

Now many years ago I read a book by Irwin H. Linton titled A Lawyer Examines the Bible. I wish this book were still available. It is timeless in the sense that the evidence it marshals in support of the historicity and accuracy of the Bible is irrefutable.
Mr. Linton was a lawyer who presented and argued cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. In his book, he comments that in all his experience he had never met an unbeliever who rejected the claims of the Bible who had ever read so much as a single classical work of apologetics devoted to its scholarly defense.
An interesting point he made that I shall never forget is that an old argument if valid is not diminished in its conclusive force because of the passage of time.
His book draws upon the classic writers who defended the truth of the Bible. I have, over many years, collected many of these long out-of-print books, and have been reading them carefully.
More recently, with the advent of more modern technology, I have found that many of these books are now available for free download from Google Books, which sure is a handy way to access these resources.
Some resources Linton names which I have liked include:
(1) Evidences of Christianity by Charles P. McIlvaine
(2) Leslie’s Short and Easy Method with the Deists by Charles Leslie (includes a remarkable discussion of historicity)
(3) Horae Paulinae by William Paley (who presents an argument that has never been refuted)

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Israel today–terrorist state or Bible prophecy fulfilled?

One of my valued Facebook friends wrote that he is a Christian, and that by being a Christian, he states “I am part of Israel (the true Israel) because of my faith in and by the grace of Jesus!!”

He further states, “Now, this terrorist state calling itself Israel does not represent me or the God I serve, let’s get that straight!! They are a murderous evil entity disguising itself as an angel of light (to many, anyway). All who support these murderers are supporting the evil they claim to reject. One of my Lord’s greatest commandments to us is to ‘Love good and hate evil.'”

My Response:

Since I have studied the Bible very carefully for many years (since 1953), I have good and solid reasons to believe that you are mistaken about what our stance toward present-day Israel should be.
Bible prophecy tells us that Israel would return to its promised land in unbelief. That is exactly what we see now. They do not believe in our Lord Jesus Christ. They are, as Paul writes, “enemies of the Gospel” (Romans 11:28),
Romans 11:28
28  As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
King James Version
Zep 2:1  Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; 
From my book, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury (2016) on Zephaniah 2:1,
desired. or, desirous. or, longing. FS24C, +2Ki 18:21, i.e. not desirable. or better, incapable of shame. A reference to Israel’s initial restoration to Palestine without a Messianic longing before the Great Tribulation mentioned in Zep 2:2, This seems to confirm that Israel returns to its land initially in unbelief. Gen 31:30, Deut 9:24, Job 14:15, **Psa 83:1, 2, 3, 4, 5.  Psa 84:3, Isa 26:8, 9, Ezek 36:7, *Zec 7:7, +**Acts 3:19, 20, 21.
The return of Christ is declared to be dependent in some degree upon the timing of Israel’s national repentance (Acts 3:18-21),
Act 3:18  But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 
Act 3:19  Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 
Act 3:20  And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 
Act 3:21  Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
God’s promises to national Israel have not been abrogated (Romans 11:29),
Rom 11:29  For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (KJV)
Rom 11:29  For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. (ESV)
Malachi 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Leviticus 26:42
42  Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
King James Version
Therefore, in the light of what the Bible teaches, we need to pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm 122:6),
Psalm 122:6  Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
Remember that God’s promise still stands:
Gen 12:3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Be very careful not to place yourself on the wrong side of this promise!

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Daily Bible Nugget #483, Hebrews 12:14 Part 6

The Nugget:

Heb 12:14  Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

This is a most important verse, and the subject of holiness is a most important subject. I have been using the words of the hymn “Take Time to Be Holy” as a springboard to help explain Hebrews 12:14 and the subject of holiness. Now I will begin with the second stanza of the hymn:

“Take time to be holy,
The world rushes on;
Spend much time in secret
With Jesus alone.”

Take time to be holy, The world rushes on

It is still true, even today, long after this hymn was first written, that “The world rushes on.”

The world has no real interest in the things of God or in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible has much to say about this. Let me share just a few verses:

Joh_15:18  If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

1Jn_3:13  Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

1Jn 2:15  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 

1Jn 2:16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 

1Jn 2:17  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 

Spiritual things in the life of every true Christian must take priority over worldly things. Spiritual things include Bible reading and Bible study, prayer, sharing our faith with others, winning others to true faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. There are things John writes about in his first letter that may not seem spiritual on the surface, but they are utterly important:

1Jn 3:17  But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 

1Jn 3:18  My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 

1Jn 3:19  And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. (KJV)

In a more modern English translation this reads:

1Jn 3:17 If we have all we need and see one of our own people in need, we must have pity on that person, or else we cannot say we love God.

1Jn 3:18 Children, you show love for others by truly helping them, and not merely by talking about it.

1Jn 3:19 When we love others, we know that we belong to the truth, and we feel at ease in the presence of God. (CEV) 

Jesus spoke of the negative effect the world can have on each of us:

Luk 8:11  Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 

Luk 8:12  Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 

Luk 8:13  They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. 

Luk 8:14  And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. 

Luk 8:15  But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. 

Spend much time in secret With Jesus alone.

Spending time in prayer is one of the main ways to spend time in secret with Jesus alone. The other way is to let Jesus speak to you by spending much time reading the New Testament, the only source we have that gives His words, what He has spoken, directly. Of course, the whole Bible is important, and He can speak to us through the rest of God’s Word as well. Recall that Jesus asked the question, “Have ye not read?” in a manner that we know He expects us, too, to have read the Bible, including the Old Testament.

Mat_12:3  But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

Mat_12:5  Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Mat_19:4  And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mat_22:31  But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

Mar_12:10  And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Mar_12:26  And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Luk_6:3  And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;

7 verses found, 7 matches



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National Day of Prayer

All of us, especially those who have an interest in the Bible, need to be thankful that we have a National Day of Prayer.

The National Day of Prayer has considerable history behind it. I won’t discuss that in depth here. But I will say that it is good to pray every day.

Following what the Bible teaches (1 Timothy 2:1, 2, 3, 4), we surely must keep our President and the many others that “are in authority” regularly in our prayers.

I remember when I was attending Cass Technical High School in the 1950s that we students who were active in the VCY Club (Voice of Christian Youth) had prayer twice a week after school in the principal’s office as we sat around the conference table to pray. That was an encouragement to my spiritual life as a teenager to have such close fellowship with other Christian students at school.

During my teaching career I recall that students were encouraged “to meet me at the pole,” an expression that referred to students meeting outside of school before the school day to gather around the flag pole for a time of prayer. I was never privileged myself to participate in this activity, but I am thankful for the students who met for prayer.

Now that I am retired from teaching, I am very thankful to be in touch with some of my former students. I still keep them all by name in prayer nearly every day. I think we should uphold the teachers and administrators as well as the students in prayer regularly. God really does enjoy hearing from us (Proverbs 15:8). Has He heard from you lately?

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Three Days in the Grave by Roy M. Allen

I just found my mislaid dust jacket for the rare book I have been writing about this month concerning the correct day of the week that Jesus was crucified. Here is the information from the dust jacket:


What day was Christ crucified–Wednesday? Thursday? Friday?

THREE DAYS in the Grave

by Roy M. Allen



Roy M. Allen, Sc. D.

Was the Lord Jesus Christ crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

Though the Bible does not tell us the day, Christians for centuries have observed Good Friday as the day of the crucifixion. However, if the Lord was buried on Friday evening and raised on Sunday morning, it is difficult to reconcile these verses:  “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:40); and “And beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done” (Luke 24:21).

As Dr. Allen points out, the celebration of Palm Sunday, Good Friday, and Easter are not observances initiated by the apostles and continued to the present day; but rather are the creations of a later period. There is no indication in the New Testament that special days, other than the first day of the week, were ever observed.

That the wrong day is now remembered for the Lord’s crucifixion is possible because of the different methods of computing time used by the Jews and the Romans, and because the Jews observed special Sabbath days besides the seventh-day Sabbath.

In Three Days in the Grave, Dr. Allen examines Wednesday, Thursday and Friday as days when the crucifixion could have occurred and shows from the Scriptures how Thursday only fulfills the Old Testament prophecies and reveals the perfect harmony of the four Gospel  records. He discusses the events of each day from six days before the Passover until the resurrection; and shows in chart form the relationship between Jewish days, modern days, and the days of the month Nisan.

As you read this book you will gain greater understanding of Old Testament types of the cross and a new appreciation of its meaning.



Dr. Roy Allen is a scientist by profession–not a theologian–but he is also a believer in the faith once delivered to the saints, and in the divine inspiration and inerrancy of the Scriptures.

During an intensive study of the Biblical records of the crucifixion more than forty years ago, Dr. Allen was impressed with the difficulties and seeming contradictions that the traditional theory of a Friday crucifixion caused.

He began to study the evidence for himself and found that only a Thursday crucifixion fitted in with the Bible accounts. For several years he discussed this view in Bible classes that he taught; and after further study, in 1942, wrote Three Days in the Grave.

Dr. Allen has also written several other books–all on scientific subjects–and is the author of all the articles on the microscope and microscopy in the latest edition of the Encyclopedia Americana. He is a member of numerous scientific societies, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the American Microscopical Society; past president and life fellow of the New York Microscopical Society, and a fellow of the American Scientific Affiliation and is well known as a lecturer.

For over fifteen years Dr. Allen worked in the research laboratories of the Bell Telephone System, and for the past 30 years has been a scientific consultant for many of the country’s large corporations, often in demand for technical testimony in litigation cases.


“Students who have had their pet theories as to the day on which our Lord was crucified should invest in a new book, THREE DAYS IN THE GRAVE by Roy M. Allen.

“The author is a scientist as well as a theologian and those who read this book will  realize that they are dealing with one capable of thinking to the bottom of things. Mr. Allen is one man who has fairly set forth the strongest arguments for the three theories–Friday, Wednesday and Thursday, presenting the arguments used against each and carefully analyzing all in the light of Scripture. While…(some attempt to)…make Friday fit in with Jewish ceremonies, Mr. Allen demolishes this completely. Wednesday crucifixion which the editor once attempted to defend in a tract, we admit is left tottering and we have been amazed that we so thoughtlessly used some passages for its support. The alternative, Thursday, seems to meet all Scripture statements in the most satisfactory way, meeting the words of Matthew 12:40 and every other  passage, as well as fitting the Passover details”  Keith Brooks, Prophecy Monthly

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Why did Jesus ask himself why he was being forsaken

The Challenge:

“If God and Jesus are the same, having the same mind, knowledge and power, then why would Jesus beg himself in the garden of Gethsemane, to spare himself from having to be crucified? Furthermore, why would Jesus ask himself why he has forsaken himself by allowing himself to be crucified?
BIBLE Proofs please …”

My Answer:

And if I present Biblical proof, and explain it, Yousuph Olayeenka may likely reject what I would post because he does not agree with my explanation, claiming just give verses, not my explanation, please. Limiting me in that way denies me the freedom to present the truth.
The Opening Post says:
“If God and Jesus are the same, having the same mind, knowledge and power, then why would Jesus beg himself in the garden of Gethsemane, to spare himself from having to be crucified? Furthermore, why would Jesus ask himself why he has forsaken himself by allowing himself to be crucified?
BIBLE Proofs please …”
(1) God and Jesus are the same.
The same in what way? Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.”
They are NOT the same Person. They are the same in the divine nature.
(2) Then why did Jesus beg to be spared in the garden of Gethsemane?
Mat 26:39  And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Joh 10:17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 
Joh 10:18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 
Heb 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 
To understand the Bible you must consult all the evidence in the Bible that pertains to the verse, passage, or subject. Thus, Matthew 26:39 MUST be taken with Hebrews 12:2 and other relevant passages.
(3) Why did Jesus ask himself why He was being forsaken?
Psalms 22:1
1  To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
King James Version
Matthew 27:46
46  And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
King James Version
Mark 15:34
34  And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
King James Version
Matthew 27:46 is more accurately translated to read “My God! My God! Why did you leave me in this circumstance?” Lavender New Testament
God the Father did not forsake His Son on the cross.
2 Corinthians 5:19
19  To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
King James Version
I have presented, perhaps on this very site, a more complete explanation of this subject.
I have also posted the discussion on my own website:

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Passion Week Chronology in Detail

I will try to convert the Chronological Chart as given in Roy M. Allen’s book, Three Days in the Grave, to semi-outline form. I am very limited in what I can do from my keyboard on this site with regard to format. A chart, which is two-dimensional, is difficult to represent here, so bear with me. It is the information that counts. Obviously, a week has only seven days, but when considering the events of the Passion Week, we must start a few days before the week itself to establish the starting point of the chronology.


Day One

Nisan 8th day.  Jewish  Day: 6th day.  Modern Day: Friday

Events:  Daytime.

Arrival at Bethany. John 12:1

“Six days before the Passover” (John 12:1)

The supper and anointing. John 12:2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Time: our Friday night.

Day Two

Nisan 9th day.  Jewish Day:  7th day Sabbath. Modern Day: Saturday

Events:  Daytime

The Curious Crowd.  John 12:9

Day Three

Nisan 10th day.  Jewish Day: 1st day.  Modern Day: Sunday

Events:  Daytime

The lamb set aside

The Triumphal Entry:  John 12:12, 13, 14, 15

Events:  Night time

Return to Bethany:  Mark 11:11

Day Four

Nisan 11th day.  Jewish Day:  2nd day.  Modern Day:  Monday

Events: Daytime

Return to Jerusalem

The Fig Tree Cursed:  Mark 11:12, 13, 14

The Temple Cleansed:  Mark 11:15

Events:  Night time

Return to Bethany:  Mark 11:19

Day Five

Nisan 12th day.  Jewish Day:  3rd day.  Modern Day:  Tuesday

Events:  Daytime

Return to Jerusalem

The Fig Tree is Found Dead:  Mark 11:20

Olivet Discourse on the way to Bethany:  Matthew chapter 24, 25

Two Days before the Passover:  Matthew 26:2

Day Six

Nisan 13th day. Jewish Day:  4th day.  Modern Day: Wednesday

Daytime Events

Disciples sent to make preparation:  Luke 22:7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13

Night time events:

Jesus and disciples go to Jerusalem

The “Last Supper” eaten

[My Note:  In answer to the question, “Did Jesus eat the Passover?,” the answer is clearly NO, as this chronology proves]

Day Seven

Nisan 14th day. Passover. Jewish Day: 5th day.  Modern Day: Thursday.  Preparation Day for the Feast of the Passover.

Night time events:

Jesus Arrested [at night, our time just past midnight so on Thursday morning]

Jesus condemned

Daytime events:

THE DAY:  The Crucifixion

Jesus dies:  descends to the Heart of the Earth. Matthew 12:40.  The lamb slain. [my note: our 3:00 pm].

“The First Day”

Night time events:

“The First Night” [This begins in fulfillment of the type prophecy of Hosea 6:2, The “Two Days”]

Day Eight

Nisan 15th day. Jewish Day:  6th day. The Passover Sabbath. Preparation of the Sabbath.  Feast of the Passover:  The lamb eaten. Modern Day: Friday

The Second Day

“The First Day Since”

The Second Night

Day Nine

Nisan 16th day.  Jewish Day: 7th day Sabbath. Modern Day: Saturday

Night time events:

“In the third day” (Hosea 6:2)

The Third Day

“The Second Day Since”

The Third Night

Day Ten

Nisan 17th day. Jewish Day: 1st day. Modern Day: Sunday

Night time events:

“Raised again the third day”:  John 20:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

“The third day since” (Luke 24:21)

Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene (John 20:14, 15, 16)

Jesus appears to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus

Jesus appears to Peter (1 Corinthians 15:5)

Night time events:

Jesus appears in the Upper Room (John 20:19)

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