Daily Bible Nugget #444, 2 Thessalonians 2:3

The Nugget:

2Th_2:3  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

My Comment:

Being deceived about spiritual things is exceedingly dangerous. To know the truth about spiritual things, we must learn that truth directly from the Bible itself. Any viewpoint not in agreement with the Bible is wrong!

This post is a continuation of the previous post at Daily Bible Nugget #443, Ephesians 5:6, also posted today.

I am presenting a portion of the discussion at the “Islam and Christianity Debate Group” from today. You will find, if you read this discussion carefully and all the way through, that you will learn some aspects of important Bible doctrine you have not known about before. This is important reading!

Paul warns us in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 that we must take care that no man deceive us. There will come a falling away from belief in Jesus Christ, which ultimately will lead to the revelation of the man of sin, the son of perdition, the Antichrist. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ now as your Savior, for if you do not, and these times come to fruition in our day, you will be in for a heap of trouble!

The Muslim Challenge:

Uthman Muhammad Aboki The reasoning that a human being is God! How could he be God who worshipped God? How could he be God who was helpless before his torturers? How could he be God who wept? How could he be God who never knew when the Day of Judgement will be? How could he be God, who said he can, on his own do nothing? How could he be God, who hears from someone else and declares? How could he be God who is sent by God? How could he be God who admited there is Someone else who is greater than him? How could he be God who died, even if it’s for a minute? How could he be God who was raised from death by God? How could a jew be God?! How could he be God who lamented saying, My God My God, why have you abandoned me? Etc, etc.

My Answer:

Uthman Muhammad Aboki, you may have missed reading my answers elsewhere on this site to the several interesting questions you mention above. I will see if I can answer each question briefly in summary form:

 

Question 1, “How could he be God who worshipped God?

 

Answer 1: Unlike any other man who has ever lived, Jesus was both a man and God at the same time. The Bible shows that Jesus Christ had two natures in One Person. Jesus Christ in His divine nature has always existed (Hebrews 13:8; John 8:56, 57, 58; John 1:1; Micah 5:2) but since His birth in Bethlehem to the virgin Mary, Jesus has taken upon Himself a human nature, such that even now in heaven Jesus is still a man (1 Timothy 2:5). So while Jesus was here on earth in His human nature, He could properly worship God. I see no problem here.

 

Question 2, “How could he be God who was helpless before his torturers?”

 

Answer 2: Jesus Christ was hardly helpless. He voluntarily acquiesced to the abuse He suffered in order to be the perfect atoning sacrifice for our sins. Recall that when Judas the traitor led the Temple guards and the Pharisees and Chief Priests to Jesus to identify Him in the garden of Gethsemane, once He was identified, and He spoke, all His would-be enemies fell to the ground as though He had powerfully knocked them off their feet, John 18:6. Remember that Jesus stated, in answer to Peter, “Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?” (Matthew 26:53, 54). Consider also what is stated about this in Hebrews 12:1-3,

 

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

 

Question 3, “How could he be God who wept?”

 

Answer 3: That Jesus wept does not denote weakness but His compassion. Just as Jesus had compassion repeatedly toward people He met in the Gospel accounts (Matthew 20:34; Mark 5:19; Luke 7:13), so God the Father has expressed compassion toward us in the Old Testament accounts (Exodus 34:6, 7; 2 Kings 13:23; 2 Chronicles 36:15).

 

Question 4, “How could he be God who never knew when the Day of Judgement will be?”

 

Answer 4: It is evident that Jesus did not know the day nor the hour of His Second Coming because it was not given by God the Father to Him to know at that time. The reason why Jesus was not given to know at that time the precise time of His return is that such knowledge if shared with us would directly conflict with the duty Jesus immediately commanded that we always ever be watchful for His return, as an encouragement for us to live at all times a life pleasing to Him so that we not be embarrassed or ashamed when He does appear for us (Mark 13:32, 33, 36; 1 John 3:2, 3). This is a strong encouragement to live a life of holiness until He comes (Hebrews 12:14), for without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

 

Question 5, “How could he be God, who said he can, on his own do nothing?”

 

Answer 5: Jesus was absolutely obedient to the Father’s will, such that at all times He did not pursue His own will, but the will of the Father. In His taking on human nature, Jesus took on also the position of the Second Adam, such that whereas Adam failed in his obedience to God, Jesus perfectly fulfilled as a Man His obedience to God, thus qualifying to be the perfect and sinless sacrifice for our sins as He became our atoning sacrifice.

 

Question 6, “How could he be God, who hears from someone else and declares?”

 

Answer 6: Once again, Jesus was sent by God, and it was His commission to declare God’s message faithfully and truly. To suppose this is detrimental to His Deity is to fail to acknowledge what the New Testament record clearly reveals, that Jesus possessed two natures in His one Person simultaneously, for He was truly man and so had a human nature, and He was truly God, for He ever possessed a Divine Nature. This is what is called in theology the Incarnation of Christ, and the Hypostatic Union. These truths are very clearly to be inferred from the evidence we are given about Jesus Christ in the divinely inspired record of the New Testament.

 

Question 7, “How could he be God who admitted there is Someone else who is greater than him?”

 

Answer 7: God the Father is called by the name Jehovah in many places in the Old Testament. Jesus Christ (who has always existed) in His pre-incarnate existence, that is, His existence before He was born in Bethlehem, is also called Jehovah in the Old Testament, as I have thoroughly and at length explained here before. At Genesis 19:24,   we read of two Jehovahs on the scene at the same time. The Jehovah that is upon earth had previously visited Abraham when three “men” (Genesis 18:1, 2) appeared while Abraham sat in his tent door. If you follow the narrative carefully in the subsequent chapters, you will read that two of the men are spoken of as angels. But the third Person is called the Angel of Jehovah, is also called Jehovah, and is also called God. Since the Bible tells us “no man has seen God at any time,” and tells us that “God is spirit,” and that spirits are invisible, so the Spirit who is Jehovah as God the Father so cannot be seen, the Person Who Abraham saw must be identified as Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate form, as Jesus Himself claimed in John 8:56, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.” Jesus stated “Before Abraham was, I am,” thus affirming His eternal pre-existence and identification with the Jehovah who came to visit Abraham. Therefore, Jesus is the God that Abraham saw and talked to. But since, therefore, there are two Jehovahs in the One Godhead, Jesus as the second person called Jehovah has always voluntarily taken the subordinate position within the Godhead. Subordination does not imply inequality. As a man, Jesus on earth before His bodily resurrection from the dead in a glorified body, could properly say that the Father is greater than He. I see no problem there.

 

Question 8, “How could he be God who died, even if it’s for a minute?”

 

Answer 8: It is clear that the physical body of our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross. But since He possessed a conscious spirit, and since spirits cannot die, He as God the Son did not die in spirit, only His human body died, so He was always conscious as God and in full control at all times. See Luke 23:43 and Hebrews 1:2, 3.

 

Question 9, “How could he be God who was raised from death by God?”

 

Answer 9: The Bible attributes the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead to all three persons of the Godhead:

 

(1) Jesus said He would raise Himself from the dead in John 10:17, 18. “Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.” Jesus Christ predicted this as recorded in John 2:19, “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

 

(2) The Bible states that God the Father raised up Jesus in Acts 2:32, “This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.”

 

(3) The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead in Romans 8:11, “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” The same truth is taught in 1 Peter 3:18, “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.”

 

Question 10, “How could a Jew be God?!”

 

Answer 10: The Messiah was predicted in many Old Testament prophecies to be a Jew, of the Seed of David (2 Samuel 7:12), and of the seed or offspring of Abraham (Genesis 22:18), and to be the son of God (Psalm 2:7). These predictions begin in the Book of Genesis (See Genesis 3:15; Genesis 49:10) and continue with more details throughout the Old Testament. The Deity of the Messiah is required and asserted in Zechariah 12:10, “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced” and affirmed in John 19:34, “But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water” and confirmed to be the fulfillment of this very prophecy (Zechariah 12:10) in John 19:37, where it is quoted: “And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.” The statement “They shall look upon ME” is spoken by Jehovah Himself in the context of Zechariah 12:10, thus proving the Deity of the Messiah. Therefore as the second Jehovah in the Godhead, the Messiah is God, born in Bethlehem in accordance with Messianic Prophecy at Micah 5:2, born of Jewish parents, and therefore Jesus Christ Himself is a Jew, but also He is God. The evidence is most clear and direct: this is what the Bible teaches, and I have carefully cited the Bible prophecies that prove this is so.

 

Question 11, “How could he be God who lamented saying, My God My God, why have you abandoned me?”

 

Answer 11: This expression, a quotation of Bible prophecy found in Psalm 22:1, is cited by Jesus Christ while on the cross. None of the generally known English translations give the proper rendering here. The Lavender Translation has it right, and says “Why did you leave me in this circumstance?” What circumstance was Christ left in? He was left in the redemptive role: suffering, bloodshed, death! God cannot leave, forsake, or run out on God the Son. God IS one, as in a state of being, and there cannot be departure whatsoever among the Trinity, of the One from the Other. God’s effort was not abandonment, but redemption!

 

Much more could be said upon this point, but my intention has been to keep this as clear and brief as possible. You have asked very good and helpful questions which have made this discussion possible. If you need me to explain any of these points more, please feel free to ask and I will be very pleased to do so, Uthman Muhammad Aboki. Thank you again for your very good questions.

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Daily Bible Nugget #443, Ephesians 5:6

The Nugget:

Eph 5:6  Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

My comment:

We must all learn to tell the difference between truth and error.  The Bible is absolutely true.  Those who do not believe the Bible are terribly mistaken in their belief system.

Once again I have participated in the “Islam and Christianity Debate Group.”  We need to be in prayer as a matter of spiritual warfare (Ephesians 6:10, 11, 12, 13, 17, 18) against the wiles of the devil.  We need to earnestly contend for the faith (Jude 3).  We need to learn the Bible well enough so that we can answer the challenges others might bring about the truth we believe (1 Peter 3:15).

The Issue:

The following was recently posted by a Muslim participant in the Islam and Christianity Debate Group:

March 13 at 4:50pm

I AM FILING A CASE TO THE FEDERAL HIGH COURT OF NIGERIA AGAINST PASTOR TB JOSHUA AND CO-PASTORS FOR SPEAKING LIE AGAINST JESUS CHRIST BY CALLING HIM GOD. In spite of the fact that there are more than five thousands tangible and incontrovertible evidences against the God Ship of Jesus in the Bible, I was completely aghast when I heard the so called prophet T B Joshua of Immanuel TV., who is one of the false prophets mentioned by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 v 24 of the bible calling Jesus God in the presence of thousands of his audience among of which were professors, Doctors, Reverend Fathers and Mothers, pastors and Bishops tô mention but only a few, yet non of them could challenge TB Joshua debunking his puerile allegation against Jesus. As I was watching TB Joshua gesticulating with his professional style of sweets mouth public speaking through Immanuel TV as usual and his audience helplessly watching and listening to his accumulated lies and unfounded praise singing directed at Jesus, I almost cry with automatic alacrity when he said that Jesus is Almighty God. My conclusion was that both TB Joshua and other Christians actually read their bible without proper understanding of what they are reading. Any Christian who reads the bible and still called Jesus God should go back to nursery one to restudy his bible. For example, in Matthew 21 v 10 -11 Jesus is called a prophet of God, in Matthew 12 v 18 Jesus is called a servant of God, in Luke 4 v 18 Jesus said he was appointed by God as His messenger tô preach the gospel, in John 5 v 30 Jesus said he could do nothing by himself, in Mark 13 v 32 Jesus said he did not know the actual date when the last hour will come, in Mark 15 v 34 Jesus cried to God and called Him “MY GOD” in Mark 12 v 29 Jesus said that “”OUR GOD “”is Just one God, in Matthew 20 v 20-23 Jesus said he hás no power tô send even his brothers to heaven, in Matthew 23 v 9 Jesus warned his people not to call any person on earth as their God for only one God exist in heaven. There are millions of facts from the scriptures and other rational facts that authentically proved that Jesus does not hás even the least qualification of being God. In conclusion, I am ever ready to petition any Christian Hot gospeller like TB Joshua and others before any court of law for calling Jesus God and for deceiving and misguiding their innocent followers with their preposterous lies against Jesus Christ whose humanity is well spelt out in the bible. Let us meet in the court of Law and debate it out. Enough is Enough.

 

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My Response:

Jerome Smith I think you may need to reconsider your plan of action. You might very carefully study the answers I have already given here on this site about these very matters. Your knowledge and understanding of the Bible can be greatly enhanced if you get your information about what it means from someone such as myself. I have studied the Bible carefully since 1953. I have three scholarly reference works published about the Bible. My reference works are used and studied and highly commended by people from all over the world.

 

Jesus is directly called God in John 1:1.

 

Jesus is directly called God in John 20:28.

 

Jesus is directly called God in Titus 2:13.

 

Jesus is directly called God in 2 Peter 1:1.

 

Jesus is directly called God in 1 John 5:20.

 

God Himself directly calls Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8.

 

Steven the first recorded Christian martyr prayed to Jesus directly as God as recorded in Acts 7:59.

 

The Messiah is directly called the Almighty God in Messianic Prophecy in the Old Testament at Amos 4:13 in the Greek translation of the Old Testament generally called the Greek Septuagint or LXX. Amos 4:13 is alluded to or quoted at Revelation 1:8 and Revelation 4:8 where the name “Lord God Almighty” is used in reference to Jesus Christ where this title is taken from Amos 4:13.

 

The very beginning of the Gospel of Mark opens at Mark 1:2 with the statement, quoted from the prophets in the Old Testament, saying that Jesus Christ’s way would be prepared by John the Baptist, using the expression “Prepare ye the way of the Lord [Jehovah], make his paths straight,” thus directly identifying Jesus Christ as Jehovah. Jehovah is God, therefore Jesus is God.

 

These connections are obvious. Any Bible reader who fails to see them must be blind as a bat.

 

If you want a debate, let us have a debate. I was a champion debater in high school, and a champion debater in college. Bring it on. I invite and challenge you to try to do so. There is no way that you can win a debate on this subject against me.

 

When it comes to being deceived, it is most clear from the Bible that anyone who thinks they can come to God apart from Jesus Christ is most deceived for Jesus Christ declared no person can come to God the Father except through Him (John 14:6).

 

When it comes to being deceived, it is most clear from the Bible that anyone who does not give the Lord Jesus Christ the very exact same honor that they give to the Father is most mistaken and does not honor God the Father AT ALL. See John 5:23 and read my discussions here about what this verse must mean.

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Concluding Comment:

Missy Mercy responded by saying:

Uthman Muhammad Aboki you need to do your own homework and stop just repeating what others say and STOP PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS and/or anyone else. Where does Pastor T B Joshua make a false prophecy? He is preaching only The Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ from what I see! 

I just entered into youtube the name of the pastor in question (prophet T B Joshua of Immanuel TV). He seems like a ligit pastor to me. So I think you and others like you just want to imprison and kill all who do not think the same as you do? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouByvPPoWWc

Uthman Muhammad Aboki responded:  What a Miss of reasoning!

Missy Mercy responded, asking Uthman Muhammad Aboki to explain what he meant by that, commenting “We are not mind readers here.  Thanks.”

Uthman Muhammad Aboki responded with a most interesting set of questions, which I shall present and answer in my next post.

Missy Mercy meanwhile made the following comment:

Uthman Muhammad Aboki why do you ignore Jerome Smith’s response above.. He clearly answered many of your questions! 

As far as you concluding that Jesus could not be God because he did not know of the Judgement day. I am sure He did but Jesus came to earth to cleanse us of our sins so that we could enter into God’s kingdom. Some things like the Day of Judgment are purposefully kept secret because revealing such was not why Jesus came.

I think Missy Mercy did very well, and her answers continue but I will stop at this point.

It is imperative that we as Bible believing Christians know our Bibles well enough to accurately answer such questions as these that the Muslims raise.  The pen is mightier than the sword.  The fact that some Muslims are carefully reading the responses that the Christians have given is a very good thing.  If they come to believe correctly upon the Lord Jesus Christ, we will see them in heaven.  If they fail  to believe what the Christians are teaching them from the Bible in response to the questions and challenges they raise, then on Judgment Day they will have to answer for why they did not believe the truth when it was carefully, even individually, presented to them.

It is very dangerous to be deceived.  Jesus warned that if the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

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Daily Bible Nugget #442, Psalm 34:4

The Nugget:

Psa 34:4  I sought the LORD, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. 

My Comment:

Thirty-one years ago on this very anniversary date, March 13, 1986, I was very unexpectedly on all the news reports, radio and TV.  I was shot in the head at point-blank range by an unknown assailant wielding a nine millimeter handgun.

The force of the shot knocked me flat on my face in the mud and snow melt of the Southeastern High School teacher parking lot.  The force of my fall broke my safety glasses.  The assailant demanded my wallet when I “came to,” ears still ringing.  I refused to give it to him.  I gave him the $33 in cash I had in my wallet.  The man remarked, “This is all the cash you teachers carry on you?”

By that time the electronics teacher walking from the bus stop saw me being accosted by the robber.  I yelled, “I’ve been shot.”  The drafting teacher just then drove in the parking lot.  The robber ran to his van, and the drafting teacher accompanied by the electronics teacher attempted to pursue the vehicle.  At least they were able to get the license plate number.  But it turned out, like usual, to be a stolen vehicle.

In the meantime the Latin teacher helped me into the school building to the office.  The gym department head called 911 to secure an ambulance.  He also attempted to stop my bleeding.  The gym department head and the science teacher Mr. Hackett escorted me to the awaiting ambulance.  The students entering school jeered me repeatedly and laughed.

Mr. Hackett later rescued my teaching materials prepared at my own expense out of my locked classroom closet.  I picked them up at his law office some time later.  He told me that he decided to quit teaching right then because he was disgusted and shocked at the rude student behavior manifested when he assisted me to the ambulance. He told me of the reaction of the lady at the Board of Education who processed his resignation two weeks later.  It turns out that she had been a student of mine when I taught at Cass Technical High School and remembered me well.  I still remember her too.  In any case, she was shocked at what happened to me and shocked at the reason Mr. Hackett gave for leaving teaching.

I was taken to the hospital by ambulance.  The gym department head came immediately to see me in my hospital room.  He had retrieved my broken glasses from the parking lot.  He warned me that whoever it was who had shot me intended to kill me.  He said, “No one shoots a person in the back of the head unless they intend to kill them.”

I left the hospital wearing a large turban-like compression bandage, in view of TV cameras.  I was advised to avoid the media attention and not grant an interview at the time.

I was placed under the care of a doctor for the next four years.  The doctor warned me not to return to teaching at that school, and not to return to teaching anywhere until he gave his authorization. He said if I tried to return without his clearance, he would have to take stronger measures to be sure I did not do so.

One of the teachers in my department wrote a nice letter, but also warned me not to return.  The assistant Union Representative called me and warned me not to return because it was evident to her that I was an intended target.

One of my own students about three weeks before the incident seriously but frantically warned me after class one day that I must immediately leave teaching at that school or I would be killed.  I took his warning with a “grain of salt” at the time, but it turns out he was right.

Some months later when I at last ventured into town and went to the barber shop for a haircut, the barber, who was a licensed gun dealer, while cutting my hair, turned white as a sheet.  He exclaimed, “Jerry, what is this scar up the back of your head?”  I told him of how I had been shot.  He asked me if I knew what kind of weapon my assailant had used.  I said I knew nothing about guns, but I surely remembered what it looked like, because when the shooter walked up behind me to shoot me, he first showed me the gun he was about to use.  I kept walking, carrying my heavy briefcase, hoping to get in sight of the ROTC room windows which looked out onto the parking lot so someone might see me.  That is as far as I got when I was shot.

I explained to my barber that I had identified the firearm by carefully looking through a fire arm catalog my brother-in-law showed me.  It was a nine-millimeter handgun.  The barber asked me if I had ever seen a nine-millimeter bullet.  I told him I never had.  He stopped right then and brought one to me as a souvenir.  I still have it.

The barber then said to me, and everyone waiting in the barber shop, “You must have had guardian angels and God Himself watching over you.  Most people don’t live to tell the story.”

I had completed about 20% of the typing task involved in creating my first book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge.  So once I was well enough to type, I continued the typing task.

There were major sources of anxiety through all this.  My paychecks were sent to the wrong school, so there was a considerable delay in receiving what I had already earned.  I was supposed to be able to draw upon my full bank of “sick days” after my “catastrophe days” were used up first.  The school board refused to authorize the use of my “catastrophe days,” of which I had earned a considerable number by never being absent from school.  I was not able to recoup those until just before I retired from teaching.  So, to make a long story short, what pay I received came on a very erratic basis.  I had a part of my paycheck deducted for savings in my Detroit Teachers’ Credit Union Account, and at one point the school board attempted to take those deposits back!  Fortunately, my wife had already withdrawn the money by mail, and I received a negative balance report from the credit union.  When I learned from the credit union that the Detroit Board of Education had attempted to withdraw my own money,  I closed the account immediately after that, making quite a scene in polite English heard by the long line of teachers waiting in line behind me about the evident insecurity of any funds I had deposited with the Credit Union.

I was able to complete my work on The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge despite many discouragements and much duress at the time.

But for the Lord’s protection, I died 31 years ago today, on Thursday, March 13, 1986, at 7:15 am, leaving my wife a widow with two young children.

But through it all, I was greatly and repeatedly encouraged by Psalm 34:4, and found its associated cross references most encouraging, which is why I chose to share this verse today.

You will also find the cross references encouraging, so I shall share them immediately below:

I sought the Lord. +**Psa 9:10 note. Psa 18:6; *Psa 22:24; Psa 31:22; Psa 63:1; Psa 66:17; *Psa 77:1; Psa 77:2; Psa 116:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6; +*Psa 119:10, Gen 32:9, 1Sa 30:6, +*1Ch 16:11 note. *2Ch 20:3, Ezr 6:21, Job 5:8, *Isa 26:9, Jon 2:2, *Mat 7:7, +*Luk 11:9, *2Co 12:8; *2Co 12:9, *Heb 5:7.

and he heard me. Psa 3:4; Psa 18:6; Psa 22:24; +*Psa 27:7 (T1434). Psa 31:22; Psa 86:7; +**Psa 99:6; Psa 116:1-6; Psa 138:3, +*Exo 3:7, Pro 10:24, +*Dan 10:12, Jon 2:2, *Heb 5:7, +*1Jn 3:22.

and delivered. Psa 34:17; Psa 34:19, Psa 4:8; Psa 18:2; Psa 30:1; Psa 32:6; *Psa 50:15; Psa 91:15; *Psa 103:14; Psa 107:19, Gen 33:4, Exo 18:4, +*1Co 10:13, 2Co 7:6, 2Ti 3:11.

me. +**Psa 40:17.

from all. Psa 27:1, 2; Psa 46:2; *Psa 56:3; +Psa 118:6, %+Gen 19:30, 1Sa 27:1, +2Ch 20:3 (T1336). +*Job 3:25, +**Pro 22:3, Song of Solomon 3:8, +*Isa 8:12; +*Isa 12:2 (T814). Isa 66:4, +*Jer 10:5; Jer 41:18, Zep 3:13, Mar 4:40, +*Luk 12:4; +*Luk 12:7, Joh 14:27, Rom 8:31; Rom 12:21, *2Co 7:5; *2Co 7:6, Php 1:20, +**2Ti 1:7, 1Jn 3:21.

my fears. Psa 23:4; +Psa 27:1; Psa 56:3, 4; Psa 64:1; Psa 112:7, +Gen 15:1; Gen 26:24, 1Sa 21:12; 1Sa 27:1, Pro 3:25, Isa 41:10, Dan 10:12, +*2Co 1:4, Col 3:15, Heb 13:6, 1Pe 5:7, 1Jn 4:18.

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Daily Bible Nugget #441, Romans 8:33

The Nugget:

Rom 8:33  Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. 

My Comment:

We may sometimes encounter other people who have a decided, critical or antagonistic opinion against us.  I am often reminded of the playground taunt I heard children say to each other, “It takes one to know one.”  It seems that those who judge other people often see in them a problem that they have themselves.

But if we truly belong to Christ, and are living for Him according to His Word, God has made us righteous in reality, and we should exhibit lives that are not really open to criticism from a moral standpoint most of the time.

We should all be open to correction and constructive suggestions from others when they are in a position where their expertise or experience lend validity to what they have to tell us for our good.

We have the promise from God that He is in charge and if we follow Him according to the directions in His Word, no one will ultimately have anything to say against us.  Even Satan is not able to make the charges he claims against us stick.  In any case, our Lord Jesus Christ is right now at the right hand of God making intercession for us (Romans 8:34).

Using cross references usually deepens our understanding when we take the time to read them.  Below are the cross references I have collected in my new Bible study software program, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury, for Romans 8:33,

Who. FS85C, +Gen 18:14.

shall lay anything. Rom 8:1, *Exo 11:7, *Num 23:8; *Num 23:20; *Num 23:23, Jos 20:2; Jos 20:7 note. 2Sa 12:13, *Job 1:9-11; *Job 2:4-6; Job 22:6, etc. Job 23:7; Job 34:8-9; Job 42:7-9, Psa 35:11; Psa 49:5; Psa 142:6, *Isa 50:8; *Isa 50:9; +*Isa 54:17, *Zec 3:1-4, Joh 16:10, **1Co 4:5, *Eph 1:3; *Eph 1:4, **Rev 12:10; **Rev 12:11.

of God’s elect. Gr. eklektos (S# G1588, Mat 20:16). Rom 8:28, +*Deut 10:15, Psa 105:42, 43, 44; Psa 106:5, Isa 42:1; Isa 65:9, Zec 3:2, +*Mat 24:14; **Mat 24:22 note, Mat 24:24, Mar 13:27, +Luk 18:7, +*Joh 17:6, Eph 1:4, 1Th 1:4, *2Th 2:13, Tit 1:1, *1Pe 1:2.

It is. Rom 8:30, *Rom 3:24; *Rom 3:26; Rom 4:5, *Job 13:18; *Job 13:19; Job 35:14, Psa 37:33; +*Psa 130:8, *Isa 43:25; *Isa 43:26; *Isa 45:25; *Isa 50:8; *Isa 50:9, Jer 50:20, Zep 3:15, Luk 5:21; *Luk 18:14, **Joh 5:24; **Joh 10:28, **1Co 6:11; 1Co 15:17, Gal 3:8, Rev 12:10, 11.

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Daily Bible Nugget #440, Psalm 7:10

The Nugget:

Psa 7:10  My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart. (KJV)

Psa 7:10 God, who is the saviour of the upright in heart, is my breastplate. (Basic English Bible)

Psa 7:10 You, God, are my shield, the protector of everyone whose heart is right. (CEV)

My Comment:

God protects those whose heart is right.  He is a defense or shield to those who belong to Him.

If we are doing what we are supposed to be doing, God surrounds us with His protection.  Only eternity will reveal just what messes and tragedies God has saved us from, whether because of our relationship to Him, or because of the prayers of someone else in our behalf.  The Bible reveals much about what goes on behind the scenes. We are engaged in spiritual warfare.  Staying close to God by prayer, reading God’s Word the Bible, and by our obedience to what we know is His will mark the person who is upright in heart. Make sure you are upright in heart so that you receive the benefit of God’s best for you.

Dig deeper by consulting the Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury cross references for Psalm 7:10.

My, etc. Heb. My buckler is upon God. Psa 3:3; Psa 18:1, 2; Psa 62:7; *Psa 84:11; Psa 89:18, *Gen 15:1.

defense. or, shield. Psa 5:12, 1Sa 17:7; 1Sa 17:41.

which saveth. Psa 31:1; Psa 112:2; Psa 125:4, Job 8:6, Pro 2:21; Pro 11:20; Pro 28:18.

the upright in heart. Psa 11:2; *Psa 19:13; Psa 94:15, 2Ch 29:34.

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Daily Bible Nugget #439, John 14:12

The Nugget:

Joh 14:12  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 

My Comment:

This encouraging Bible promise, like many other promises in the Bible, seems on first reading to generically apply to everyone that believes the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yet most of us in our day have not seen anyone doing greater miracles than Jesus Himself did in His day. But in the beginning of the Christian era, the original disciples and apostles did see many great miracles take place.  Careful reading of the New Testament will lead to evidence that the extent and frequency of reported instances of the miraculous decreased over time.

Nevertheless, even today God is working miracles in the lives of those who trust Him as the need arises. Some experience miracles of physical healing. Some experience remarkable answers to prayer involving the salvation and spiritual growth of others, sometimes when the person has no contact with the person being prayed for.

Sometimes we do not see the answer for what is prayed for.  When we pray, we must always ask that God’s will be done. But in the Bible, there is good evidence that at this time, sometimes spoken of as in this dispensation, God is silent. The reason for this silence may be inferred from where Jesus stopped reading in the Isaiah passage as reported in Luke 4:19, 20.

I have placed a new note in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury which discusses the silence of God in more Scriptural detail than you are likely to find anywhere else at Psalm 50:3,

Psa 50:3  Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

not keep silence. Now He is keeping silence. But He will speak again, and here we are told what He will say (CB). The silence of God is spoken of under several different terms and in some other not so obvious ways. The silence of God is spoken of in reference to prayer, when prayer is unanswered (**Psa 28:1; +**Psa 66:18). Today it may be that in mercy God is intentionally silent such that we do not see the miraculous interventions experienced in certain periods of Old Testament history and in the beginning of the church in Acts when its membership was still entirely Jewish and God still extended His mercy to the nation of Israel if they would repent (Act 3:19, 20, 21). Miracles of healing were prominent in the early ministry of Peter (Act 5:15; Act 9:34) and Paul (Act 19:11, 12; Act 20:10). But Paul later left Trophimus at Miletum sick (2Ti 4:20). Peter and Paul experienced miraculous Divine Intervention earlier in their ministries when they were released from prison (Act 12:5-10; Act 16:25-40), but Paul later spent much time in jail. A clue as to why God does not now intervene in such outwardly visible ways in answer to prayer may be suggested by the manner in which Jesus read aloud the Scripture from Isaiah as recorded in Luk 4:18, 19, 20, where Luke records “And he closed the book.” Jesus stopped reading at a most significant place in Isa 61:2, in the middle of the verse, for He did not read “and the day of vengeance of our God,” which came next. This stopping point in the text of Isaiah is one of many places where there is an unannounced time gap in the prophecy (See the notes and references at Isa 61:2 note). The stopping point may also signify that when God next visits this earth it will be for judgment, not mercy. In accordance with that promise, His silence now exhibits His mercy. Peter speaks of this very matter when he says God’s apparent “slackness” is rather evidence of His mercy, for He is “not willing that any should perish” (2Pe 3:9). Study of the cross references given for such texts as 2Pe 3:9 and the subject of God’s longsuffering (see also the cross references at +**Mat 17:20; Mat 21:43; Mat 23:39) may further explain the nature and reasons for God’s present public silence. Psa 50:21, +Psa 28:1; Psa 83:1; Psa 109:1, Exo 19:16, 2Ki 19:7, Job 16:21, Isa 8:17; *Isa 42:13; *Isa 42:14; *Isa 65:6; *Isa 65:7, +*Hab 1:13.

To dig deeper into the Bible promise at John 14:12, study the following cross references and notes from The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

and greater works. Note.—This promise is in allusion to the greater effects to follow the preaching of the Apostles, and the greater power of God in the conversion of men after the ascension of Christ and descent of the Spirit—and possibly a greater number of miracles also wrought by them (Compare Act 2:43 and Act 5:12-16); which however all redounded to the glory of Christ as being wrought in his name (See on Mar 16:17), and in fact the exercise of his power in fuller manifestation because of his being glorified. See the words following—because I go to the Father and compare Act 2:33; Act 4:29, 30, 31; Rom 15:18, 19 (De Burgh, p. 273). Joh 4:37, 38; Joh 5:16; Joh 5:20, *2Ki 2:9; *2Ki 2:14; 2Ki 20:10, Act 1:15; Act 2:4-11; Act 2:37-41; *Act 2:43; Act 4:4; Act 4:31; *Act 5:15; Act 6:7; Act 10:46; Act 16:25-34; *Act 19:11; *Act 19:12, *Rom 15:18; *Rom 15:19.

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38 Bible Reasons Why Jesus is NOT God Answered, Part 4

This is my concluding installment of my answers to Reasons 31—38 challenging the belief that Jesus Christ is Deity or God.

31- Jesus could not saved anyone as he was even not able to save himself (Hebrews 5:1-8)

 

Heb 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

Heb 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.

Heb 5:3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

Heb 5:4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Heb 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

 

Whoever it might have been who composed these “38 Reasons from the Bible why Jesus is not God” may have had some knowledge of the Bible. The person may know more of the Bible than many Christians do. But when this unknown, likely Moslem, individual attempted to found a portion of the argument upon Hebrews 5:1-8, that person strikingly reveals the very flawed understanding Moslems and others who deny the Deity of Christ have of this Bible text.

 

Once again, to use such a text as Hebrews 5:1-8 to support the idea that Jesus could not save Himself, therefore He cannot be Deity or God in any sense, is to fail to follow the Rules of Interpretation, in this case, the rule that requires careful attention to the context.

 

The Hebrews writer reminds us from the Old Testament Scriptures that not just anyone could come along and become or make himself a High Priest. A High Priest must come from the line of Aaron.

 

Furthermore, a High Priest cannot and could not select himself to be a High Priest. The High Priest position must be filled by a person called of God, as Aaron was.

 

Now the writer of Hebrews raises the important question: If High Priests can only come from the line of Aaron, how could Jesus Christ be our High Priest when He is not a lineal descendant from the tribe of Aaron? You will recall that Jesus Christ’s lineage is traced to the tribe of Judah, and no High Priests can arise from that tribe.

 

The writer of Hebrews provides the answer by means of a very careful study of Bible prophecy and the Bible types.

 

The Hebrews writer calls attention to the fact that Jesus did not call Himself to the office of High Priest. Rather, God appointed Jesus Christ to that office as seen in Old Testament Bible prophecy:

 

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

 

This is a citation from Psalm 2:7,

 

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

 

Thou art. This is the Divine formula for anointing. Compare Mat 3:17 for Prophet; Mat 17:5 for Priest; and Heb 1:5, 6 for King.

 

In this Hebrews 5 context, this Old Testament type or prophecy was cited to answer the requirement that to be High Priest, Jesus Christ must be called by God to this office. That He was called of God, and not self-appointed, is proven by the cited text from Psalm 2:7.

 

The author of Hebrews calls attention to an incident in the life of Abraham, where Abraham met Melchisedec, who was a priest of the Most High God. Now, Melchisedec was not from the line of Aaron because Aaron of course had not yet been born. Therefore, there was another line of High Priesthood that existed in type and reality before the Law and before the time of Aaron and Moses.

 

Melchisedec is not mentioned very often in the Bible. When the Hebrews writer brings up this part of his argument,

 

Heb 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

 

the writer is citing Bible prophecy from Psalm 110:4,

 

Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

 

This establishes the fact that the Messiah is a High Priest “after the order of Melchisedek.”

 

Now, to address the mistaken probably Moslem claim represented by this objection number 31- Jesus could not saved anyone as he was even not able to save himself (Hebrews 5:1-8):

 

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

 

The claim states Jesus could not save anyone because He could not save Himself. But the text of Hebrews 5:7 declares that the prayers of Jesus were answered that he be saved out of death (the meaning of the Greek text here), and that He “was heard in that he feared.” Therefore Christ’s prayer was heard for He both actually died physically and was raised again to life by resurrection of His physical body.

 

from death. Not from death, for the Greek word is ek, not apo. He went down into death, but was saved out of (Greek, ek) it by resurrection.

 

Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

 

Jesus Christ, being made perfect by resurrection in His glorified body (Philippians 3:21), became the author of salvation unto all that obey Him.

 

If you are not depending fully upon Jesus Christ alone for salvation, you remain unsaved, for there is no other way to be saved (Acts 4:12; John 14:6). He is only the author of salvation for those that obey Him. God’s command is that we believe on His Son (1 John 3:23),

 

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

 

Earlier in the book of Hebrews the writer discussed the High Priesthood of our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

 

These are deep truths. No one can be made perfect or acceptable to God by keeping the law of God.

 

To become acceptable to God, we must place our faith in the “better hope” that God has provided for us by sending His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to die and atone for our sins as our great High Priest. Jesus Christ as our Savior is both the Priest and the Sacrifice (1 John 2:1, 2).

 

Jesus Christ is able to save to the uttermost all those who will come to God by Him, for he continues to live forever, to make intercession for all who come to God by Him.

 

Of course Jesus did not save Himself by coming down from the cross, as his mockers on the scene observing the events of the crucifixion challenged Him to do. Had Jesus done that, He would have failed to fulfill the mission God the Father sent Him to do.

 

32- Jesus said he was sent to lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24)

 

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

Moslems totally misunderstand this verse which they frequently cite to prove that Jesus came only to minister to the Jews who lived in the land of Israel. That is why, they seem to believe, that God sent a later Prophet, Muhammad, who, they claim, was sent for the whole world.

 

Yet this very Bible passage in Matthew 15:24 shows that Jesus did minister to the needs of a non-Jewish woman. Read the context for yourself, for this is as plain as could be:

 

Mat 15:21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.

Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

Mat 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.

Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

 

Jesus commended her great faith, and granted healing for her daughter, who “was made whole from that very hour.”

 

Once again, when it comes to correctly understanding the Bible, the Rules of Interpretation, when properly followed, lead you to a correct understanding of what is written in the Bible or any other work of literature. In this case, a correct interpretation properly fits the context, but an incorrect interpretation does not. Another Rule of Interpretation teaches us that you cannot leave out material which, if included, would invalidate your mistaken claim of what the text means.

 

Moslems make much of this matter of claiming that the ministry of Jesus was limited to the “lost sheep of Israel” in order to validate the need for a Prophet future to Jesus Christ who would be for the whole world. But since this claim in behalf of their Prophet Mohammed is founded on a provable mistaken interpretation of Matthew 15:24 and Matthew 10:5, 6, it is invalid and improper to base their claim upon these misinterpreted Bible texts.

 

Jesus did not always limit or restrict his ministry to none but the Jews. He also ministered to Gentiles as here in Matthew 15:24.

 

He healed the centurion’s servant (Mat 8:13). Centurions were not Jews, but officers in the Roman army, and so of course were Gentiles.

 

Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

 

He declared his Messiahship to the Samaritan woman at the well (Joh 4:25, 26).

 

Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

 

As a result of her vibrant testimony Jesus was asked by the townspeople of the Samaritan city of Sychar to stay two more days with them, which he did, and many of them believed (Joh 4:42).

 

Joh 4:39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

Joh 4:40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.

Joh 4:41 And many more believed because of his own word;

Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

 

Notice particularly what is said in John 4:42, that Jesus is stated to be the Savior of the world. Thus Jesus did not come only for the lost sheep of Israel.

 

When Jesus healed the ten lepers, one of them was a Samaritan, the only one who returned to give thanks (Luk 17:11,12; Luk 17:15, 16).

 

Luk 17:11 And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.

Luk 17:12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:

 

Luk 17:15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

Luk 17:16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.

 

Christ’s directive (Mat 10:5, 6) that his disciples minister only to the lost sheep of Israel and not enter into any city of the Samaritans nor go in the way of the Gentiles was clearly a directive for that immediate mission, and does not mark a permanent policy of the ministry of Christ that limited His work only to the Jews.

 

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

It is most clear that Christ came to save the world, not merely the lost sheep of the house of Israel, for He commanded that His Gospel be proclaimed to every creature (Mat 28:19; Mar 16:15; Luk 24:47; Joh 1:29; Joh 3:16; Joh 4:42; Act 1:8; 1Jn 2:2).

 

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

Note the command to teach all nations.

 

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

 

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

 

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

 

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

 

1Jn 2:2 And He is Himself the atoning sacrifice for our sins; and not for ours alone, but also for the whole world.

 

This accords precisely with what was prophesied of the Messiah (Isa 49:6; Act 13:47; Act 26:23).

 

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

 

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

 

Isa 9:1 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.

Isa 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

 

Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

 

Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Act 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

 

The emphasis of the whole Bible is that the Messiah would come as a light to His people Israel and also a light to the Gentiles, the rest of the world. No way can Jesus be limited to “the lost sheep of Israel.”

 

 

33- God can not be born and perhaps form his own creation

 

There was no passage from the Bible given for this objection to the Deity of Christ.

 

The error in thinking on the part of Moslems who would use this argument against the Deity of Christ is (1) they fail to understand that the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus Christ is eternal, that He existed in the form of God from eternity past and never had a beginning, and that when He became a man, He assumed the form of a man and was born by a miraculous virgin birth to Mary. (2) This necessarily requires that when God became man in the form of Jesus, this requires that Jesus must have two natures: a human nature, and a divine nature.

 

It is true that Jesus Christ is spoken of as the creator of all things. Of course He was the One that God the Father employed to create everything else according to what the Bible teaches.

 

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

 

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

 

The claims of the Bible are very clear.

 

34- Jesus never asked people to worship him

 

Jesus did not need to ask people to worship Him, at least not in those words.

 

But how do you explain what is declared in John 5:23,

 

Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

 

Remember that in discussion somewhere above I called attention to the fact that this verse has been translated “honor the Son exactly as they honor the Father.” What worship you extend to God the Father is therefore required to be extended to Jesus Christ in the same manner.

 

How do you explain John 5:18,

 

Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

 

The Jews drew a correct inference from the words of Jesus Christ. Jesus did not deny the correctness of the inference they made. At no point under similar circumstances when the claims of Jesus Christ were correctly understood did Jesus ever refuse or correct their inferences as to His claim to Deity.

 

As His own disciples gradually gathered and concluded just who Jesus really is, they extended worship to Him the same way that they worshipped God the Father.

 

Therefore, the objection that “Jesus never asked people to worship him” has no force or validity against the truth of the Deity of Jesus Christ.

 

I explained this in considerable detail earlier in these discussions.

 

35- Jesus did not Teach Trinity

 

You won’t find the word “Trinity” anywhere in the Bible. Does that mean the Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Of course not.

 

Just what necessary inference must be drawn from the evidence that (1) God the Father is called God; (2) Jesus Christ is called God, John 20:28; John 1:1; (3) the Holy Spirit is called God, Acts 5:3, 4?

 

Obviously there are not three Gods. The Bible clearly teaches that there is only One God.

 

The proper inference which must be drawn is that there are Three Persons who eternally exist in One Godhead, so that there are Three Persons who share the attributes of God. Since those three Persons and no others also share the incommunicable attributes of God as directly stated in the Bible, all three Persons are fully God and fully Divine. There is no other valid explanation which properly accounts for all the facts and statements given in the Bible.

 

Jesus did not need to “Teach the Trinity.” These facts pertaining to the Trinity are left to us to infer from the evidence in both the Old Testament Scriptures and the New Testament Scriptures. A careful reading and study of the Bible will lead to the conclusion that God exists eternally in Three Persons, and yet God is One God. No other explanation accounts honestly for all the evidence in the Bible.

 

36- God is the essence of the worship. He is the object of worship. Had Jesus been God, he would have told people to worship him. Truly, he did the exact opposite as in Matthew 15:9.

 

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

The compiler or author of these 38 reasons from the Bible that Jesus is not God has made another mistake in interpretation here, such that this text does not apply to the worship of Jesus.

 

Jesus Christ is quoting from the prophet Isaiah. The quotation means that the worship of God by the Jews was in vain because they encumbered their worship of God with additional requirements not from God, but from the traditions of men.

 

Jesus never has a kind word for religious tradition.

 

But that Jesus was worshipped by His disciples once they recognized Who He Is, is most evident in the New Testament record. I have discussed this subject rather fully before, so I won’t repeat all the evidence here. But I will share just one clear example from Acts 7:59, 60.

 

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

 

I have placed notes on this text of Scripture in my book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (page 1247) and in my new Bible software, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury, as follows:

 

calling upon. or, invoking. There is no object after this, but the thought is, “Calling upon the Lord Jesus as God” (F. W. Grant). Upon whom was Stephen calling? Those who deny the deity of Christ are caught upon the horns of a fatal dilemma. If “God,” then Stephen addresses Jesus as God. If “Lord,” then Jesus is being directly addressed in prayer, an act of worship due only to God. In the New Testament, prayers, invocations, or doxologies are not uniformly and invariably addressed exclusively to God the Father. Thomas addressed Jesus as God (+*Joh 20:28). The disciples worshipped Christ directly as he went up into heaven (Luk 24:51, 52). Paul prayed to the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ jointly: Rom 1:7, *1Co 1:3, 2Co 1:2, Gal 1:3, Eph 1:2; Eph 6:23, Php 1:2, Col 1:2, 1Th 1:1; 1Th 3:11, 2Th 1:2; 2Th 2:16-17, 1Ti 1:2, 2Ti 1:2, Tit 1:4, Phm 1:3. So John prayed to the Father and Son jointly, 2Jn 1:3, and to all three persons of the Godhead alike, Rev 1:4, 5. Paul also prayed to Christ singly: Rom 16:20; Rom 16:24, 1Co 16:23, Gal 6:18, Php 2:19; Php 2:24, 1Th 5:28, 2Th 3:16; 2Th 3:18, 1Ti 1:12, 2Ti 4:14; 2Ti 4:17, 18; 2Ti 4:22. Some devotional acts Paul performed towards the Holy Ghost singly: Rom 9:1; Rom 15:30. See Paul’s noted doxology to Christ, *Rom 9:5. Peter put up his doxologies to Christ: 1Pe 2:3, 4; *1Pe 4:11, **2Pe 3:18. See the whole creation join in the same common doxology to the Father and the Son, not to the Father through the Son, *Rev 5:11, 12, 13 (Daniel Waterland, Works, Vol. 4, pp. 8, 9). “Christ is to be worshipped with religious worship by men (Act 7:59; Act 9:14, **Joh 5:23, Rev 5:8); either singly and by himself, or jointly with the Father in the same acts of worship. He is therefore God by nature, and not by office only, appointment, or designation. The worship of him must of consequence stand upon the same foot whereon Scripture has founded all religious worship; upon his real and essential divinity, his being God, Jehovah, Almighty, etc. which he must be because he is adorable; and which if he be, then the worship of him comes within the reason, intent, and even the letter of the law about worship. And it is very observable how the Scripture rule of worship exactly harmonizes with what the same Scripture teaches of the divinity of God the Son. For as, on the one hand, his claim of worship confirms the doctrine of his divinity; so, on the other hand, his divine titles and attributes confirm his claim of worship: and thus is Scripture uniform, consistent, and harmonious throughout” (Daniel Waterland, Works, vol. 3, “The Scriptures and the Arians Compared,” pp. 295, 296).

 

37- Jesus never call his followers Christians, Paul did

 

This is a mistaken assertion. Paul did not call his followers Christians. The term does not occur anywhere in the writings of Paul or in his recorded speeches in the book of Acts. The word Christian is found two times in the New Testament (Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16). “Christians” is found only once in the New Testament. It is found at Acts 11:26,

 

Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

 

The Bible does not tell who called the disciples Christians first at Antioch. Some scholars say either Saul named Paul or Barnabas, some suggest the surrounding Gentile population so named them, and some suggest the disciples were given this name by their enemies.

 

This is a case that there is no certain evidence one way or the other. It is not to be expected that Jesus would call his followers Christians, because the Church did not begin until after Jesus ascended to heaven.

38- Jesus as a servant of God (Matthew 12:18)

 

This topic actually matches topic 20- Jesus referred to himself as a Slave: John 13:16, Matthew 10:24.

 

I explained this in some detail there, so I won’t repeat what was said there here.

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38 Bible Reasons Why Jesus is Not God Answered, Part 3


The discussion at the Islam and Christianity Debate Group continues unabated. Here are the next points (22—30) of the original list of 38 which I have addressed so far. This is again a very long post, but I have carefully explained much Bible doctrine here. It would be well worth your study. There are many valuable things taught in the Bible which Christians ought to know that are not taught in Sunday school, and not usually taught from the Pulpit. It is very important that you become grounded in your faith, and prepared to give an answer to any who might have a question about it (1 Peter 3:15).

21- Jesus referred to himself as a Student: Matthew 10:24

 

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. (KJV)

 

Mat 10:24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. (ESV)

 

Mat 10:24 Disciples are not better than their teacher, and slaves are not better than their master. (CEV)

 

Mat 10:24 No pupil is better than his teacher, and no slave is better than his master.

 

I think it may be that whoever might originally have devised these 38 Reasons from the Bible why Jesus cannot be God or Lord may have been mistaken in selecting this topic and the associated verse as one of the reasons. Jesus Christ is not here called or referred to as a student. But even if He were, that would be no objection because when Jesus became a man and dwelt in human flesh, as a human being subject to the limitations characterized by being actually human, he did indeed have to learn just like we do.

 

Luk 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

 

A fact about our Lord Jesus Christ which is not understood or believed by Muslims is that by the Rule of Interpretation I have called “necessary inference,” we learn from the Bible that Jesus was one Person but He possessed two natures: (1) a human nature, and (2) a divine nature.

 

Do we find this stated in these exact words anywhere in the Bible? Of course not. This truth is gathered by comparing Scripture with Scripture, and by the rule of “necessary inference,” we arrive at this explanation and understanding of the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ as the best explanation for the set of facts found in the Bible.

Ayigbe Eseme Jerome Smith…Thank you Sir for the effort taken so far to answer my posted questions. The explanations given by do you are enough to prove Jesus is not God but you believe otherwise. Thank you once again. Quoting scripture and comparing scripture to arrive at answer is an academic work. Otherwise you know very well and believed that Jesus is not God and cannot be God.

Jerome Smith I am sure, Ayigbe Eseme, that anyone who will read my 21 answers to your challenges would have to agree that none of those challenges provides any argument against the fact that the Bible, properly understood, reveals that Jesus Christ is both God and man. Thank you for reading my answers so far.

 

22- Father is Greater than Jesus (John 14:28). How can someone be greater than God?

 

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

 

greater than. The Lord was not inferior as to His essential being (see Joh 14:9; Joh 14:11; Joh 10:30), but as to His office, as sent by the Father (see 1Co 15:27, Php 2:9-11) [CB]. *Joh 14:12, **Joh 5:19; +*Joh 6:38 note. Gen 41:40 with Gen 44:18, Mat 24:36, +**Mar 13:32, *1Co 11:3; +**1Co 15:28. T963x: *Joh 5:19; Joh 8:42; Joh 13:16, Luk 22:41-42, **+1Co 15:28 (T964x). Php 2:9, Heb 2:7.

 

Jesus Christ spoke these words before His death and resurrection from the dead while he was here as a man in His humanity, His human form. As a man, Jesus properly spoke of God as “My Father.” While a man, Jesus Christ could properly speak of His Father as “greater than I.”

 

The same “I” reflecting the Person of Jesus Christ (as used in the Greek text) is also found at John 8:58,

 

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

Before Abraham was. +*Joh 8:35, **+Joh 1:1; **+Joh 1:2; **+Joh 1:15; Joh 3:13; Joh 6:62; *Joh 17:5; *Joh 17:24, Psa 68:4; Psa 90:1-2, *Pro 8:22-30, +*Isa 9:6; *Isa 43:13, +*Mic 5:2, *Col 1:17, Heb 1:10-12; +*Heb 13:8, 1Pe 1:20, 1Jn 1:1, +*Rev 1:8; +*Rev 1:11; +*Rev 1:17; +*Rev 1:18; Rev 2:8. Note: That our Lord by this expression asserted his divinity and eternal existence, as the great I AM, appears evident from the use of the present tense, instead of the preter, from its being in answer to the Jews, who inquired whether he had seen Abraham, and from its being thus understood by the multitude, who were exasperated at it to such a degree that they took up stones to stone him. The ancient Jews not only believed that the Messiah was superior to and Lord of all the patriarchs, and even of angels (see Yalkut Simeoni on Isa 52:13, Bereshith Rabba on Gen 28:10, Zohar, Gen. fol. 88), but that his celestial nature existed with God, from whom it emanated, before the creation (Netzach Israel, c. 35, fol. 38), and that the creation was effected by his ministry (Zohar, l. fol. 128, on Gen 49:11). Joh 8:53, *Exo 3:14, *Isa 43:13; *Isa 43:15; Isa 44:6; Isa 44:8; Isa 46:9; Isa 48:12, +*Rev 1:8.

I am. +*Joh 8:24 note, +*Joh 8:28, Joh 4:26; Joh 5:18; Joh 10:30; Joh 13:19; Joh 18:5-6, Exo 3:13-14; Exo 6:3, Psa 102:27, Isa 42:8, Zec 13:7, Mat 18:20; Mat 22:45, Php 2:6, 1Ti 6:16, Heb 1:12.

 

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

 

I am. Gr. ego eimi. Used in the absolute sense (as in the LXX. of Isa 43:10, where it is used of Jehovah), Jesus claiming absolute divine being, as at Joh 8:58 (A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures, vol. 5, p. 146). +*Joh 8:28, Joh 4:26; Joh 6:35; +Joh 11:27; Joh 13:19; Joh 18:5, Deut 32:39, LXX. Isa 43:10; Isa 43:12-13; Isa 46:4, LXX. Mar 13:6, Luk 21:8.

 

But the Arians and their modern counterpart, the Jehovah Witnesses, as well as Moslems fail to acknowledge what the Bible plainly reveals, that Jesus Christ is one Person that has two natures: a true human nature so that he could be tempted or better expressed, tested, in all points, with the exception of sin (Hebrews 4:15), and a divine nature because He is an eternal Person (Micah 5:2) who in time became a man, in accordance with Messianic Prophecy given at Isaiah 9:6, where a child is born (thus Jesus was born as a child in Bethlehem) and a son is given (thus Jesus was always the Son of God, who was given us graciously by God for our salvation, as stated in John 3:16).

 

Jesus Christ clearly asserted His Pre-existence and Glory which He held with the Father:

 

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

The error in this challenge to the doctrine of the Divinity of Christ is mistaking that Jesus as man is greater than God. This is not what the doctrine of the deity of Christ involves.

 

Rob Lopez As always the Muslims refuse to accept the truth. Jerome Smith It is my goal that at least anyone who reads here will see the truth of the Bible when understood in context compared to the wrong interpretations proposed by those who have not properly studied it. The best way to confront a bad idea is to be exposed to a better idea.

 

23- Jesus was taught by the Father (John 8:28)

 

Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

 

The expression “lifted up the Son of man” refers to the crucifixion, when Jesus Christ was lifted up on the cross and was thus put to death.

 

They would, upon this event, know that He is Deity, because of the accompanying supernatural events (darkness at noonday) that accompanied the crucifixion and three days later His resurrection (great earthquake, Matthew 28:2).

 

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

 

That Jesus was “taught by the Father” poses no problem, for while Jesus was present in His human nature He learned from God the Father and fulfilled the Father’s will completely. If Jesus was “taught by the Father,” then surely what Jesus taught is of Divine Authority, and ought to be believed.

 

24- Jesus can do nothing by himself (John 5:19, John 5:30)

 

Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

 

The Jews understood that when Jesus said God was His Father, Jesus declared Himself equal with God. Moslems and Jehovah Witnesses do not accept this claim by Jesus, demonstrating they do not believe in Him.

 

do nothing. So complete is the identity and union that they cannot be separated in anything, as shewn in the words following and to the end of Joh 5:23. So Joh 5:30, Joh 8:28-29; Joh 9:4; Joh 14:10-11 (De Burgh, pp. 240, 241).

 

This was predicted in Messianic Prophecy as seen in Psalm 40:7, 8,

 

Psa 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

 

That Jesus always is obedient to the Father poses no problem to His being equal to God and to His being God the Son in His Divine Nature.

 

Notice that at one point Jesus remarked that He could call a large number of angels to prevent the authorities from taking Him, but Jesus told His disciples, but if I did that, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled?

 

Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Mat 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

 

 

25- Jesus does not even have his own doctrine (John 7:16)

 

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

 

not mine.—(i.e. “not of human origin, nor the invention or discovery of a mere man, as you take me to be;” as with the leaders of sects of religion and philosophy in general) [De Burgh, p. 249]. +Joh 3:34; Joh 16:13.

 

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

 

will. or, may will (Young). Rather, If any man wishes to do—i.e. unbelief is the fault of the heart, not of the understanding (De Burgh, p. 249). Joh 5:40; Joh 8:43-44, +Deut 5:21, **+1Ch 16:11 note. +*Psa 5:2, Isa 1:10, Hos 6:1-3, Mat 6:22; Mat 13:12; Mat 21:23-27; Mat 23:37, +*Luk 8:15, **Act 8:27-29; **Act 10:1-6, Rom 7:18, 1Co 9:17, **2Th 2:10, Phm 1:14, 1Pe 5:2.

 

And so it is for any readers here. Moslems sometimes seem to know more about parts of the Bible than many Christians know. Shame on the Christians! But the Moslems must take great care that they are not in unbelief, or if they are, that they not allow themselves to remain so. Unbelief is the fault of the heart, not of the understanding. I have presented much Scripture and much explanation from which any reader can learn enough to come to a true understanding of who Jesus Christ really is, and what His claims are, and what our proper response to Him should be.

 

26- Jesus ascended to his God (John 20:17)

 

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

 

Remember, once again, that Jesus Christ is both truly man and truly God. He, since the incarnation, since His birth in Bethlehem to the virgin Mary, is of course truly man. But there is overwhelming evidence in the Bible that before Jesus became a man, He was in the form of God.

 

I have already shown you in the Scriptures that at Genesis 19:24,  we have two Jehovahs on the same scene at the same time: one in heaven who sends destruction to Sodom, and one on earth who had been seen as one of three men who visited Abraham. Of those three men, the narrative identifies two of them as angels, and one of them as the Angel of Jehovah, also referred to as God and as Jehovah.

 

We know from the words of our Lord Jesus Christ that he plainly declared that He had seen Abraham (John 8:56-58 and preceding context) and Isaiah (John 12:41). And this explains why, when the Bible says no man hath seen God at any time, that it is Jesus Christ who has declared and revealed Him, that we properly understand that appearances of God to men were made by the pre-incarnate Christ in events which are called Christophanies. The Biblical evidence is conclusive, and I have shared it here before.

 

It is true that Jesus ascended to His God. But who else in world history has done that? Surely Jesus Christ is a Person far above any former or subsequent prophet in that regard. When Jesus became a man He did not shed the divine nature which He always possessed. The problem for some interpreters stems from the failure to understand that Jesus possessed two natures at the same time: His human nature, and His divine nature. Understand this from Scripture, and many of these supposed objections fall away and disappear.

 

27- According to Christians, Jesus died as recorded in Matthew 27:27-56 but Bible says that God is infinite Psalm 102:27.

 

Such an objection cannot be sustained in the light of the evidence given in the Bible.

 

It is most certain that Jesus Christ died on the cross by means of crucifixion. This is the clear testimony of history recorded in the New Testament, and even alluded to in non-biblical sources of the time and shortly thereafter. I have shared quite fully above the Biblical evidence which proves Jesus died on the cross of Calvary.

 

There is no way to account for the rise and spread of Christianity unless we accept the historical record upon which it is founded. There is no way to account for the conversion of the Apostle Paul on the Damascus Road if Paul (then called by Saul, his Hebrew name) did not meet Jesus Christ supernaturally on that road.

 

That God is infinite is no argument that Jesus did not die.

 

The very verse that has been cited from Psalm 102:27 more literally reads from the Hebrew, “Thou art He.” It is a prophetic reference to our Lord Jesus Christ. It is alluded to in Hebrews 13:8.

 

Once again, to use this as an argument to show that Jesus is not God is to read into the Bible the very opposite of what it declares.

 

And also once again, the failure to admit the doctrine of the hypostatic union, namely, the union of two natures in One Person, the human nature and the divine nature in Jesus Christ, is the source of such confusion and denial.

 

Ayigbe Eseme There are biblical evidences from the bible that Jesus died and there are biblical evidences from the bible that Jesus did not die. It is up to the Christians to defend their beliefs. Because Paul wrote in the book of Corinthians that if Jesus did not die then their faith is useless. Because the belief of Christians is hanged on the crucifixion of Jesus.

 

28- Jesus needed to Pray, Eat, Drink and Was Helped by Woman, as stated in Luke 8:1-3 but God in Bible is self-sufficient Psalm 50:12

 

Once again, the Muslim objection to the deity of Christ is based on the evidence that He was truly a man. Muslims and Jehovah Witnesses are both guilty of denying the truth revealed in the Bible that Jesus Christ possessed two natures at the same time: a human nature and a divine nature. Once this concept is grasped, the difficulty Muslims and others who deny the deity of Christ propose is found to have no force or merit.

 

Luk 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

Luk 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,

Luk 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

 

There is interesting evidence in the New Testament record that Jesus Christ was very poor.

 

Luk 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

 

2Co 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

 

Therefore, the fact that God used the resources of individuals who helped Jesus Christ financially shows God’s grace working in the lives affected by the ministry of Jesus Christ to them.

 

Psa 50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.

 

God the Father in heaven is spirit (John 4:24), and never gets hungry, and does not stand in need of anything from man, or anything man can provide. In context, God is reproving the Israelites for trusting in religious forms and ceremonies. They forgot to remember what these forms and ceremonies symbolized. Those ceremonies would one day no longer be required of them, once the Messiah, to whom they all pointed in type, would come.

 

But look at the preceding context in Psalm 50 at Psalm 50:6,

 

Psa 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

 

God is judge himself. A few cross references related to this statement are relevant here.

 

Psa 67:4 O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

 

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

 

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

 

Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

 

Note that the term “judge” is used in a broader sense in Scripture than in our common parlance; it is often equivalent to ruler or king (see Peters, Theocratic Kingdom, vol. 2, pp. 352-361). This has an important bearing upon our conception of Christ returning to judge the earth at the Second Advent. The judgeship of Christ is not limited to passing sentence, but constitutes his reign as king over the earth.

 

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

 

Isa 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

 

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

 

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

 

Carefully studied, with an effort to learn rather than refute, the passages I have cited above prove the deity of the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ. In order for the Lord Jesus Christ to judge righteously, He must be omniscient. That is an attribute that belongs to God alone and cannot be given or delegated to someone else. That is why omniscience is called an incommunicable attribute. That Jesus Christ possesses this attribute proves His Deity.

 

Revelation 11:17 refers to the “Lord God Almighty,” the name given to the Messiah in Bible prophecy in Amos 4:13 in the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible quoted by John in the book of Revelation, Revelation 1:8 and 4:8. Revelation 11:17 addresses the Messiah as “O Lord God Almighty,” for it is He of whom it can be said, “which art, and wast, and art to come,” and in Bible prophecy it is clearly revealed that it is the Messiah Who will reign forever over the entire earth, as seen in the passages I have given above.

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29- The God remain the same in nature (Hebrews 1:12)

 

Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

 

It is true that the nature of God does not and cannot change. If God were to change in His nature, would He be changing for the better? If so, then that would mean that God was not perfect before but could be improved upon. But that is a contradiction in terms, and so cannot be the case.

 

If God were to change His nature, would He be changing for the worse? If so, then that would mean that He would change from His state of being perfect to a state of not being perfect. That too, is a contradiction in terms.

 

Does God have a Son? The Bible, in the Old Testament and the New Testament, affirms that God has a Son. He has always had a Son. This is why the Bible affirms the eternal sonship of Jesus Christ.

 

It is always helpful and informative to look at the context of the verse we are considering.

 

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 

God, the Bible here tells us, has spoken with finality by His Son. His Son is appointed as the heir of all things. By His Son He made the worlds.

 

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

 

God’s Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, is the perfect image of the person of God. He reflects Him perfectly.

 

He purged our sins by His one act of Atonement. Having completed His task perfectly, as sent by the Father, He returned to heaven and sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

 

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

 

This verse includes two quotations from the Old Testament, two Messianic Prophecies. The first Old Testament quotation demonstrates that God has always had a Son. The fact that Jesus Christ is truly affirmed to be that Son is proven by His resurrection from the dead. The second quotation connects these Messianic Prophecies to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant mentioned in the context of 2 Samuel 7:14.

 

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

 

Is Jesus Christ to be worshipped? The Biblical evidence as quoted here from the Greek Septuagint (LXX) translation of the Hebrew Bible from Deuteronomy 32:43, which reads “Rejoice, ye heavens, together with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him. Rejoice, ye nations, with His people,” shows He is indeed to be worshipped.

 

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

Here, we have the fact that God Himself speaks to His Son, addressing Him as God, in affirmation that His Son is to have a throne, and the rule or authority of righteousness (sceptre) over His kingdom, which we elsewhere learn in the Bible will last forever.

 

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

 

God anointed Jesus Christ as the Son of God to a position above all others. The Son of God is the creator of the universe, and of the earth.

 

Since Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the creator, He must be Deity, for only God can create in the absolute sense.

 

Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

 

There is a repeated instance of a figure of speech here called “the balanced sentence,” marked by the word “but.” By this figure, what comes before the word “but” is a statement contrary to fact, used in a contrast of great emphasis to stress the importance of the statement which follows.

 

Here, “They shall perish” is a statement directly contrary to what God has proclaimed several times in the Old Testament, that the earth will not perish but abides forever, as in Ecclesiastes 1:4 and Psalm 104:5 and Psalm 148:6.

 

This is to add great emphasis to the following clause, “but thou remainest,” strongly affirming that the Son of God is eternal.

 

So also in Hebrews 1:12, the first part that comes before the word “but” says “And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed” in reference to the destiny of the earth and the heavens, a statement which is contrary to fact, given to emphasize the following statement that the Son of God remains the same, and His years shall not fail.

 

These statements quoted in Hebrews 1:11 and Hebrews 1:12 are taken from Psalm 102:25 and Psalm 102:26,

 

Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Psa 102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

Psa 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

 

On the expression, “they shall perish,” Psalm 102:26, I have written the following explanatory note in my new Bible study reference work, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury:

 

They shall perish. This affirmation, frequently echoed elsewhere in Scripture (see the Parallel Passages), as it is generally understood actually means exactly the opposite of what on the surface it appears to say, as the cross references given at Psa 108:4 and Ecc 1:4 absolutely prove. Psa 108:4 unequivocally states “For thy mercy is great above the heavens.” Thus God’s mercy is more sure than the heavens, and Scripture declares that the earth will abide forever and not pass away, as required by both the Abrahamic Covenant (+**Gen 12:2 note) and Davidic Covenant (+**2Sa 7:10 note) provisions. “Mercy” certainly is a reference to the “sure mercies of David” (+**Isa 55:3), which by God are guaranteed by the eternal stability of the universe itself (Jer 31:35, 36, 37). To suggest otherwise is to deny the Covenant and the Sign by which God affirms its guarantee of fulfillment. %**Psa 102:28, %+*Psa 89:37; %+**Psa 108:4; %Psa 148:6, Job 14:12; Job 14:18, %+**Ecc 1:4, *Isa 34:4; *Isa 51:6; *Isa 65:17; Isa 66:22, Mat 5:18; +**Mat 24:35 note. **Luk 21:33, *Rom 8:20, **2Pe 3:7-13 note. +*1Jn 2:17, Rev 6:14; Rev 20:11; Rev 21:1.

 

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

 

Therefore, by many proofs from Scripture, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is proven to be and have been the eternal Son of God, granted by God the highest position in the universe, a position not granted to any of the angels, but only to the Son of God, a seat at God’s right hand, in a passage cited from Psalm 101:1, an Old Testament chapter cited more often in the New Testament than any other Bible chapter as Messianic Prophecy.

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Ayigbe Eseme Sir Jerome Smith. … your effort is great but it is still the same arguments. A holy book cannot be subjected to much academic work like you did. A is A. Logics and reasoning are necessary but not in this case Sir.

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Jerome Smith To the contrary, Ayigbe Eseme, God expects us to read His Book, the Bible, with great care. He expects us to follow the rules of interpretation. You may have noticed that Jesus Christ in the New Testament asked the Jewish experts who presumably knew the Bible well the question, “Have ye not read?”

 

Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Luk 6:3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;

 

Jesus challenged the Jewish leadership of His day with a command to “Search the Scriptures,” because if they read the Scriptures carefully they would find that the Scriptures bore witness to Jesus Christ, the Messiah of Israel,

 

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

 

Jesus roundly condemned the Sadducees because they did not know the Bible well enough and so were in great error about what it teaches,

 

Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

 

Therefore, a Holy Book must be read and studied very carefully, and when addressing sophisticated questions like you have kindly raised for discussion, we must study it with great accuracy, even academic level accuracy, to come to valid conclusions about what the Bible says and means.

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Rob Lopez Amen, the Scriptures are powerful and the word of God!

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Missy Mercy The Bible tells of the greatest love story.

 

Because GOD loves each one of us. He made a way for anyone to have a personal relationship with Him. God provides an open door you just have to walk through into salvation.

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Rob Lopez amen Missy!

 

Ayigbe Eseme The only creator is God Almighty and not Jesus. No matter the cross reference you do it shows the bible contradicts itself. Qul huwa alahu ahadu…Say God is one God. Not three or trinity. The pagan worship GOD in three forms. ..the father, the mother and the child. But Christians modified this belief to: God the father, holy spirit and son. If there were more than one God there would have been disorder in creation. Thank you.

Jerome Smith And just where are you getting “mother” out of anything I have been explaining from the Bible? You have a mixed up and untrue understanding of what the Bible teaches and true Christians believe. There is no connection between so-called pagan trinities and what the Bible teaches about God.

 

Ayigbe Eseme Sir that is your belief. The pagans before the introduction of trinity by Christians worshipped a supreme being by representatives of : father, mother and child. It is just as Christians change the day of worshipping idols to Christmas and new year. January was named after Janus , the God that see back and front. They set January 1 as day of worshipping the idol. Now converted to Christians new year celebration.

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Anighoro Issa Emmanuel Even beside that jesus have never claim to be God and he never mention the holy spirit to be third God…I dont know where they are bring this ideology from

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Jerome Smith Anighoro Issa Emmanuel, thank you for joining in on this discussion! Jesus did not need to claim to be God because He demonstrated conclusively that He was more than just a man by what He did and knew. Only God is omniscient, but all through the New Testament record of the life of Jesus Christ we see repeated evidence that he possessed the attribute or quality of omniscience, that He was all-knowing. I give evidence from the Bible about this at my answer to #30 below. I have also discussed the omniscience of Christ above, I’m sure.

 

Omniscience is what is called an incommunicable attribute of God. This means that even God cannot share this attribute with anyone else. Omniscience is an attribute possessed by Jesus Christ (see John 21:17, where Peter said to Jesus Christ, “Lord, thou knowest all things.” I have supplied many cross references at John 21:17 to other places that show instances or examples of the omniscience of Jesus Christ:

 

Lord, thou knowest all things. Gr. oida, Joh 8:55 note. God the Son is omniscient. +*Joh 2:24; *+Joh 2:25; Joh 4:16; Joh 5:6; Joh 5:42; Joh 6:61; Joh 6:64; Joh 11:14 note. Joh 13:1; Joh 13:18-19; Joh 16:19; +Joh 16:30; Joh 18:4, +*Gen 18:19, +*Jer 17:10, +Mat 9:4 note (T76-7). +*Mat 11:21 note. Mat 12:25; **Mat 17:24-27; +*Mat 28:19 note. Mar 2:8; Mar 8:17; Mar 9:33; Mar 12:15; Mar 14:13-15, Luk 5:22; Luk 6:8; Luk 9:47; Luk 22:10-12, Act 1:24; Act 15:8, 1Co 4:3-4, **1Jn 3:20, +*Rev 2:23.

 

I think one of the most interesting and striking instances of Jesus Christ demonstrating omniscience, that He knows everything, is found in Matthew 17:24-27,

 

Mat 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

Mat 17:25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

Mat 17:26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

Mat 17:27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

 

Notice that when Peter returned to the house where Jesus was, that Jesus anticipated the situation Peter was about to tell Him about regarding the need to pay the Temple Tax. Jesus knew what had taken place before Peter had any chance to tell Him about it.

 

That is an example of the omniscience of Jesus Christ.

 

To solve the tax problem, since Jesus was poor and without money of His own, he instructed Peter where to go fishing. He told Peter to take up the first fish that would bite his fishing hook, open the fish’s mouth, where he would find a piece of money which He instructed Peter to use to go pay the Temple Tax for both himself and Jesus.

 

This is a most remarkable demonstration of the omniscience of Jesus Christ.

 

How did Jesus know that the fish had swallowed a coin?

 

How did Jesus know that the coin the fish happened to swallow was a coin sufficient in value to pay the tax for both Peter and Himself?

 

How did Jesus know that exactly at the time Peter let down his fish hook into the water, that it would be that fish that would bite the hook?

 

Surely this is a remarkable example of the omniscience of Jesus Christ. But only God can be omniscient and know all things. For any thinking person, the conclusion is obvious that the evidence proves Jesus was omniscient, and therefore Jesus in His Divine Nature was God.

 

I think this incident is also interesting because it is recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, and Matthew by profession was a tax collector!

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Ayigbe Eseme Again Sir, Jesus cannot quote the bible. Because from your analysis or academic research you mentioned scriptures and not bible. And as at Jesus time the scriptures were to be complete as 66 books as believed by protestant Christians. Otherwise the scriptures are more than 66 books. A holy book must be read and studied carefully. I agreed. But the bible quotations back and front is in error. The scriptures bore witnesses to Jesus Christ as messiah of Israel. Which of the scriptures and definitely not the bible that contradicts itself. You quoted” God spoke to Moses saying I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. True. But is this God now Jesus? Whereas the three fathers were forefathers of Jesus. So God had forefathers? Food for thought.

 

Jerome Smith That is indeed great food for thought, Ayigbe Eseme. I use the terms “Scriptures” and “Bible” interchangeably to refer to the 39 Hebrew Scriptures and the 27 Greek Christian Scriptures, comprising the Old Testament and the New Testament, respectively.

 

I do not understand your statement: “But the Bible quotations back and front is in error.” Perhaps you can reword this and clarify for me what you mean.

 

At Exodus 3:2 we read “And the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of he midst of a bush.” At Exodus 3:4 we read “And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses.” In Exodus 3:6 we read, “Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father [this should read “fathers,” as in early versions (the Samaritan and Coptic) and as cited by Stephen in Acts 7:32], the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.” Surely these statements in the same context that refer to (1) the angel of the Lord,” (2) the LORD, and (3) God, all have reference to the same Person.

 

I have before clearly proven from Scripture that since God is spirit, He is invisible and has never been seen (John 4:23; John 1:18).

 

Therefore, the logical conclusion from this evidence is that when in the Old Testament it is reported that God has been seen, the Person Who was seen was the Angel of Jehovah. I have also proven from John 12:41 in reference to Isaiah 6:1 and John 8:56-58 in reference to Abraham, where Jesus claimed that “before Abraham was, I am,” and further, that Abraham rejoiced to see His day, that these statements by Jesus indicate that He before His Incarnation existed eternally as God the Son, visible to men as the Angel of Jehovah.

 

This certainly is direct proof from the Bible that Jesus is Jehovah, the Angel of Jehovah, the Son of God, and most certainly truly divine. In the Incarnation Jesus took on the form or nature of a man, but always existed in the form of God, and therefore since the Incarnation Jesus possesses two natures: human and divine. These things are most obvious from a careful comparison of Scripture like that I have just given you in this comment.

 

So yes, this God seen by Moses in the burning bush is now Jesus. It is Moses who had forefathers in the Exodus account, not in this sense a reference to any forefathers of Jesus.

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Ayigbe Eseme Thank you. QED.

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Ayigbe Eseme It is funny to read that Jesus is Jehovah. It funny to read that the God that called Moses is Jesus. Your analysis is funny Sir

What I mean: “quoting back and front “. Your quotes are neither here nor there. You quote old testament and refer to new testament. Again from new testament to old testament to justify your views. In course of that you omitted key point of oneness of God as explain in some verses of the bible. You once wrote that Islam came about 600 years after Christianity and so cannot change history or the information. But be informed that all prophets including Jesus came from God with one message. “Worship God and do good and abhor evil. ” The Qur’an says that chains of prophets convey messages of one God. –

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Jerome Smith Ayigbe Eseme, perhaps you have never before encountered an English teacher who is able to share with you what the Bible teaches. My method of explaining Scripture with Scripture is well-validated in the field of secular great literature. There is an important set of volumes called Great Books of the Western World. It is a collection of more than 50 volumes of world literature which are regarded by experts in literature to be the greatest works ever written. Volume 2 and 3 of this set (as it was first issued: volume 1 was titled The Great Ideas) is called The Synopticon, and reportedly cost Britannica some 2 million dollars to create, if I remember the details correctly. These two volumes are a topical index to the great subjects of concern that are discussed by many different authors across many centuries. What Britannica did for the Great Books of the Western World by indexing these works under many different subjects, I have done for the Bible by means of cross references, as you have seen me use many times here.

 

My analysis of the Bible may seem in a sense funny to you, because you have not encountered it before on this sophisticated of a level of study. But we do well to study the Bible with the same effort and degree of scholarship that the literature scholars who compiled The Synopticon have for world literature. They included the Bible as part of their topical index for all the subjects they indexed. I have not used their research because mine is better for Bible study than their resource is, because my resource covers the Bible verse by verse for every important word, phrase, clause, theme, and often important points of grammar as well as culture.

 

You said above:

 

“What I mean: “quoting back and front “. Your quotes are neither here nor there. You quote old testament and refer to new testament. Again from new testament to old testament to justify your views.”

 

How else do you expect me to explain the Bible?

 

You also said above:

 

“Again from new testament to old testament to justify your views. In course of that you omitted key point of oneness of God as explain in some verses of the bible.”

 

You mistakenly believe that I do not teach the Oneness of God. Here is a bit of evidence from my book at my note given at Deuteronomy 4:35,

 

Deu 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

 

the Lord he is God. [“Oneness believers,” who deny the doctrine of the Trinity, cite the following “Oneness Scriptures” Chain Reference containing examples of God being only ONE to assert God is only one in both the Old and New Testament. This mistaken position is answered at Mat 28:19 note (consult Gen 19:24 note; Deut 6:4 note; Luk 3:22 note; Act 2:38 note; Php 2:6 note; 1Pe 2:3 note; Rev 1:8 note): Deut 6:4; Deut 32:39, 2Sa 7:22, 1Ch 17:20, Psa 83:18; Psa 86:10, Isa 9:6; Isa 37:16; Isa 41:4; Isa 2:8; Isa 43:10-15; *Isa 44:6; Isa 45:5-6; Isa 45:18-22; Isa 46:5-9; Isa 48:11-12; Isa 57:15, Mic 5:2, Zec 14:9, *Mal 2:10, Mat 1:23, *Mar 12:29, Joh 1:1-14; **Joh 8:56-59; Joh 12:44-46; Joh 14:6-7; Joh 17:11; Joh 17:21; **Joh 20:28, Act 2:36; Act 4:10-12; Act 10:34-36, *1Co 8:4-6, 2Co 5:18-19, Eph 3:9; Eph 4:4-6, **Php 2:6-11, **Col 1:15-19; *Col 2:9; *Col 2:10, 1Ti 2:5; 1Ti 3:16, **Tit 2:13; **Tit 2:14, **Heb 1:1-14, **Jas 2:19, 1Jn 3:16; 1Jn 5:7, Rev 1:7-8; Rev 4:2; Rev 13:8; Rev 20:11-12; Rev 22:13,] Deut 4:39, +*Deut 6:4 note. 2Sa 7:22, 1Ki 8:60; 1Ki 18:21, 1Ch 17:20, Jer 27:5.

 

This should serve to let you know that when there is more than one side to an argument, or there are differing views about a Bible subject, I try to fairly give the best evidence each side has to offer in support of its view.

 

Thank you for taking time to answer my question about what you meant. You are always very helpful.

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Missy Mercy Ayigbe are you an Imam??

I get the impression that you are.

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Adil Dean No he is just stubborn like every Muslim is. No matter how much u provide them the references they will oppose Jesus like the high priests of Jews did.

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Ayigbe Eseme Missy Mercy and Adil Dean…. truth stands clear from error. Your quotes or Mr. Jerome Smith quotes to support the divinity of Jesus are in the bible. My quotes against the divinity of Jesus are in the bible. So your bible contradicts itself. There is no issues of stubbornness. To you is your belief and to me is my belief. I will not worship your trinity God head and you may choose not to worship the only one true God. The CREATOR of everything including Jesus. Thank you.

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Jerome Smith Ayigbe Eseme, you very well know that your quotes “against the divinity of Jesus” that you claim to be “in the Bible” are always out of context, and I have explained every one of them in the light of the surrounding context and related passages of Scripture. Our Bible does not contradict itself. You and those who share your beliefs are guilty of misquoting and misinterpreting the Bible. I have directed you to 24 established Rules of Interpretation. When you violate those, of course you cannot come up with a correct interpretation of the Bible or any other work of literature.

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Ayigbe Eseme Respected Jerome Smith. ..I have no issue with you but those who could write not a single reason for their belief and yet insult others. Sir, the 24 rules of interpretation was established by who and when? Were the rules applied when the KJV was revised by 50 prominent Christians back up by 32 Christians denominations? Are the rules spelt out in the Bible? Is it God or Jesus or disciple of Jesus set the rules? Sir the truth is bitter if it is against you. Jesus says according to the bible “hear oh Israel our God is one God “. Again he said God is greater than him (Jesus ). The day of judgement is known only by God Almighty Allah. Which rules will apply to change these self evident truths. I respect you Sir. It is a debate. Let’s other decide please.

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Jerome Smith The 24 rules of interpretation are natural laws of language that make it possible, linguistically speaking, for humans to communicate in meaningful ways by speech or in writing.

 

I used a sub-set of these Rules of Interpretation when I taught gifted and talented students at Cass Technical High School in Detroit, which at that time was world-renowned for being the most advanced example of quality education. I was visited by people from all over the world who came to see the program I was in, as well as many other programs available at Cass Technical High School. I myself attended Cass Technical High School not many years before that, majoring in the electrical curriculum. I also was on the Bible quiz team from Cass Technical High School that won the city championship. I also as a student was on the debate team, and won the regional championship in debate against all the surrounding high schools in southeastern Michigan.

 

I gave my students the assignment to write an interpretation and explanation of a series of poems, arranged as a “poetry interpretation ladder,” a series arranged by difficulty from easy to hard.

 

I emphasized to my students that the best interpretation of a poem is an interpretation that accounts for all the imagery in the poem harmoniously. A good interpretation cannot arbitrarily leave out a part of the poem that will not fit in to an attempted interpretation.

 

I mentioned before that I encountered Dr. Stenrouse, a graduate school professor at Wayne State University, when I was requested by the Detroit School District to attend her seminar. The seminar’s purpose was to develop a professional quality unit of instruction on Futurism (a most interesting subject).

 

In the seminar I mentioned in our discussion that when I taught poetry, I introduced my students to the Rules of Interpretation. Dr. Stenrouse was horrified. She said the subject of hermeneutics belongs to the field of theology and the Bible, not literature and poetry. I argued to the contrary: the basis for understanding any communication using language must involve hermeneutics or the Rules of Interpretation.

 

I have had a scholarly book on my shelves since I began teaching in 1962, but only took it off the shelf and actually read since I retired in 2001. I wish I would have read that book before I met up with Dr. Stenrouse. The book utterly refutes her position about teaching poetry. The name of the book is “Practical Criticism: A Study of Literary Judgment.” The author of the book is I. A. Richards. It is 362 pages long. Mr. Richards describes how he taught poetry, and studied the responses given by college students to a series of poems he asked them to explain or interpret. He did what I did, and I did not get my idea from him, for though I had his book, I had never read it until after I retired from teaching.

 

I first wrote my Rules of Interpretation when I was a high school student attending Cass Technical High School. I have since developed these rules into the form now presented in the October, 2010 Archives at the Real Bible Study website.

 

The Rules of Interpretation were apparently not properly applied when those who worked on creating the Revised Standard Version did their work. I have explained before why their work and their claims are very flawed: (1) this version was produced by scholars who do not believe in the verbal inspiration of the Bible; (2) the RSV is based on a flawed Greek text based upon not the majority text but a minority text, which is the source of many textual errors, such as leaving out Acts 8:37, the so-called long ending of the Gospel of Mark, the story of the woman taken in adultery in John chapter 8, and so forth. Evangelical Bible-believing Christians largely rejected the RSV when it was published. It was welcomed in so-called main-line Protestant churches, all of which had been influenced by supposed advances in modern theology, and are not considered to be Evangelical Bible-believing Christians because they do not adhere to the Fundamentals of the Faith, but are liberals and Modernists.

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Ayigbe Eseme Sir Jerome Smith..you have advanced in your belief. Even you have issues with fellow Christians. Again you are a lecturer and would continue to defend your thesis. Whichever bible translation you have still has flaw despite your 24 rules of interpretation. In fact common sense will defeat these 24 rules of interpretation. Thank you once again for the lecture.

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Jerome Smith I think that it is not possible to use common sense to defeat my 24 rules of interpretation. But if you think so, you can pick one of the rules and provide your reason, logic, and evidence to refute it. You are not likely to succeed, but I invite you sometime to try. It would be a good learning experience. Remember my claim: if I can be refuted and corrected by evidence that is better than what I have already seen, I do respond to constructive correction based upon evidence, and I have changed my mind about something several times over the years. Are you willing to do the same?

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Adil Dean Ayigbe Eseme Allah is not Almighty but Jehovah. I don’t debate with Muslims much cause I know it is useless debating them or preaching them. Muslims never bother to investigate islam, Allah first. Allah was a idol among 360 other idols. Allah was the biggest, this Allah is not almighty. Our Jehovah is Almighty (Trinity). Go and search Allah’s history first then come back. We’ll talk.

Like · Reply · Yesterday at 11:30am Ayigbe Eseme Adil Dean..

Ignorance is a disease. What language is Jehovah? What language is Allah? Can’t you reason like Jerome Smith, your mentor. Your ignorance will push into Hell. Which language is Oghene? Which language is Yahweh? Mumu like you. Before the coming of prophet Muhammad (SAW ) the Arabs in Mecca worshipped many idols. When the prophet called to worship Allah (Almighty God ) they objected. It took time before they were convinced and embraced Islam. Allah is unseen and they believed. But the idols were seen and felt yet they disbelieve in the idols. You need deliverance.

 

Missy Mercy Ayigbe, I asked if you are an Imam? You never answered. Was that an insult? I hardly think so.

 

However, what is an insult to you is that I am female and it is insulting that I even speak … Isn’t that right? You think females are for your pleasure only…..including your child bride which you never denied to have.

SICK BASTARD…..Now you can feel insulted. You will burn in hell for your treatment of women! The only 72 virgins you might get are all demons to torture you for all eternity for none such as you shall enter into my Father’s Kingdom.

 

You do not tell me how or what to say!!! You are both a wicked and evil Imam who leads people to hell.

 

It is a well known fact that most Muslims never read the Quran. They learn their truth from Imams who also recruit terrorists.

 

I am a child of the One True Living God. Muhammad might have smashed hundreds of idols surrounding the Kabal …. leaving only the idol ‘Baal’ who you call Allah.

 

The fact is you can never smash Our God and exhault your satanic God who is nothing!

 

PRAISE LORD JESUS WHO RULES FOREVER.

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Missy Mercy PS Mr. Thinks He knows it all (Ayigbe),

 

Mr. Smith was only recently put in my path by the Holy Spirit. And thanks to social media.

 

You are truly a fool if you think God will use me in the same way He will use a man who has studied the Bible since 1953.

 

Jesus lives in me and that is good enough. Like a demon you attack me because of the scriptures I post. My job is to share the Word Of God only.

 

I am not here to argue doctrine. God says we are not to strife! I share, but like a wild frothing at the mouth dog … You attack.

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Rob Lopez Ayigbe….in Christianity women and men can be friends through the bond of the Holy Spirit….nothing like Islam at all.

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Missy Mercy In Christ Jesus there are no distinctions for we are one body of priest.

 

God wanted us to understand the Supreme Sacrifice that has come into to world. Every other Sacrifice loses it’s substance in comparison to what God has raised in Jesus Christ.

 

We are consecrated to become a living, moving priestly body. We have not come together to sport our degrees, or intellectual, or theatrical capacities. We have come to minister unto God.

 

As a people who understand that we are a peculiar people of Royal Priesthood and a Holy Nation …. We should shoot for (push for) the praises oh Him who has called us out of darkness into His marvelous light.

 

The only sacrifice now that warms God’s heart is the sacrifice of constant praise.

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Ayigbe Eseme Missy Mercy… to answer you. I am not an Imam.

 

30- Jesus is the same human today, yesterday and forever (Hebrew 13:8)

 

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

Notice that in an effort to disprove the Deity of Christ, the author of these “38 Reasons Why Jesus cannot be God” has added a word to the text of the Bible, the word “human,” which makes the objection invalid. You cannot tamper with the text of the Bible and change it to suit your argument or your fancy.

 

I have placed the following notes at Hebrews 13:8 in my book, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury. If you study these notes carefully you will better understand what the Bible teaches.

 

the same. This verse declares Christ’s immutability “…that he is unchangeable; that he always was, is, and will be to all eternity, the same; that he is subject to no change either in his essence or in his perfections” (Wakefield, Vol. 1, p. 156). Cf. Php 2:6-8; Jas 1:17 and notes.

 

Note that the Incarnation was a change of estate, not nature. In the Incarnation Christ:

 

(1) has all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in Him (Col 2:9);

 

(2) is One with the Father (Joh 10:30);

 

(3) is Omnipotent (cf. Joh 5:19; Joh 7:9-13; Joh 7:19; Joh 7:21; Joh 10:17-18; Joh 11:43-44; Joh 16:15);

 

(4) is Omniscient (cf. Mat 11:21; Mat 11:23; Joh 2:24-25; Joh 6:64; Joh 16:15);

 

(5) is Omnipresent (cf. Mat 18:20; Mat 28:20; Joh 3:13);

 

(6) has all things whatsoever the Father has (Joh 16:15);

 

(7) has power to remove sin (cf. Mat 9:2; Mat 9:6);

 

(8) received worship as God (cf. Mat 2:11; Mat 8:1-2; Mat 14:33; Joh 9:35-38).

 

Thus the Son remains essentially and eternally the same throughout His profound mutations of estate—pre-Incarnation, Incarnation, death, resurrection, glorification—even for the ages of eternity! (LNT, fn i). T76-4, God the Son is immutable. %Heb 13:9, *Heb 1:12, +*Exo 3:14; Exo 3:15; Exo 38:1, Psa 90:2; Psa 90:4; *Psa 102:27; *Psa 102:28; Psa 103:17, Isa 41:4; Isa 44:6, %+*Mal 3:6, %Mat 12:32; +*Mat 28:19 note. +*Joh 8:35; Joh 8:56-58, 2Co 1:19-20, Php 2:6, 1Ti 6:16, **Jas 1:17, Rev 1:4; Rev 1:8; Rev 1:11; Rev 1:17-18.

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38 Bible Reasons Why Jesus is Not God Answered, Part 2

The discussion at the Islam and Christianity Debate Group has continued.  Here are the next points (13–21) of the original 38 which I have addressed so far.

13- Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by God (Matthew 21:10-11)

 

The wording of this objection actually goes against or beyond the evidence found in the Bible when we consider just what Prophet is being referred to, as shown by the cross references for Matthew 21:11.

 

Mat 21:10 And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?

Mat 21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

 

Matthew 21:11

the multitude said. Mat 21:46, Luk 18:36.

This is Jesus. Mat 16:13-14, Deut 18:15-19, Mar 10:47, Luk 7:16; Luk 24:19, Joh 7:39-40; Joh 9:17; Joh 18:5, Act 3:22-23; Act 7:37.

the prophet. Mat 21:46, Mar 6:15, Luk 7:16; Luk 7:39; Luk 9:8; Luk 9:19; Luk 13:33; Luk 24:19, Joh 1:21; Joh 1:25; Joh 4:19; +Joh 6:14; Joh 7:40-42; Joh 7:52; Joh 9:17, +Act 3:22; +Act 3:23; Act 7:37.

of Nazareth. +Mat 2:23, +Mar 1:24; Mar 14:67, Joh 1:45-46; Joh 6:14.

of Galilee. +Mat 2:22; Mat 26:69, +Jos 20:7, +*Joh 7:52, Act 2:7.

 

A good rule of Bible study and interpretation is to read the context of the verse or verses being studied. Just before this passage, Jesus rode into Jerusalem in what has been titled “The Triumphal Entry” in fulfillment of Zechariah 9:9 as to the event, and the fulfillment of Psalm 118:26 as to the words sung in Messiah’s praise. Note those words cited by Matthew at Matthew 21:9, “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.” Mark 11:10, a parallel passage, reads “Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.” Concerning this title “Lord,” Jesus asked a question that silenced the unbelieving Pharisees and others in His day and since who could not answer it:

 

Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

Mat 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.

Mat 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Mat 22:46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

 

The question the Pharisees were unwilling to answer, and in their unbelief could not answer, is the question about who, exactly, is Jesus Christ? He is not merely a prophet, or “just a prophet.” The people recognized that Jesus was “that Prophet” (John 6:14) which was to come, as prophesied by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15-18,

 

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

 

These themes make for a very rich study in the Bible by consulting the cross references given for each verse I have referred to.

 

By no means does this supposed objection rise to the level of being a refutation of the Bible truth that Jesus Christ is “that Prophet” that should come, and that He as the true Messiah of Israel does not possess the quality of Deity.

 

Ayigbe Eseme, I shall answer the next of the 38 Bible reasons why Jesus is Not God:

 

14- God Declared Himself to be God, Jesus didn’t (Ezekiel 20:20)

 

Once again, to understand any work of literature, and especially the Bible, we must carefully follow the 24 Rules of Interpretation, that I have presented in the October 2010 archives. In this instance, I am referring specifically to my Rule 22,

 

  1. Much important truth found in the Bible can only be derived from the Bible by means of necessary inference derived from a careful study and comparison of related Bible passages. (http://www.realbiblestudy.com/?p=66 )

 

Recall that I have established, in this discussion, that while God is invisible and has never been seen by man (John 1:18), yet there are many references in the Old Testament to instances where the Bible records or states that men and women have at times seen God (Genesis 32:30; Exodus 24:9, 10; Exodus 33:11; Matthew 5:8). See especially Genesis 12:7 and Genesis 17:1. Careful study of the Bible cross references I have shared before show that Abraham saw God, also named as Jehovah, and the Angel of Jehovah. Further study of related cross references establishes that when people saw God, they saw the Angel of Jehovah, who is sometimes called God, and that these appearances of the Angel of Jehovah to Abraham and to Isaiah were shown to be appearances of Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate form, witness the claim of Jesus Christ, “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58). I pointed out that the evidence from Genesis 19:24 demonstrates the existences of two Persons appearing simultaneously on the same scene, each called Jehovah. I have mentioned that the New Testament contains many instances of applying to our Lord Jesus Christ what is said of Jehovah in the Old Testament.

 

Having these facts in mind, a careful reading of the whole of Ezekiel 20 will show that even in this chapter, reference is made to a Person that we learn from the rest of Scripture is the Person we now know as Jesus Christ.

 

All this being the case, let us ask the question, If Jesus is truly God, why did he not plainly say so?

 

The answer is clearly, because people, even His own disciples, were not prepared to hear such profound truth all at once (John 16:12).

 

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

 

Jesus followed this remarkable statement with a specific promise that more truth was forthcoming (John 16:13) to them and for them in the immediate future by means of the promised Holy Spirit they would soon receive,

 

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

God does not force us to believe His truth. Unfortunately, some have used physical force, both in history, and continuing until today, to violate the principle of religious freedom. God, as recorded in His written word, the Bible, pleads with us to choose life (Deuteronomy 30:19), but many, exercising their free will unwisely, fail to do so.

 

When Jesus Christ, the Messiah of Israel, actually appeared in history according to the Messianic Promise given abundantly in many Messianic Prophecies in the Old Testament, he exercised restraint by not forcing people to believe in Him by providing inescapable evidence that would be so overbearing as to thwart their free will. But He did provide enough evidence that the pure in heart would recognize Him for who He is, while the rest, blinded to spiritual truth, walk on in darkness and remain forever lost.

 

It seems like a long time ago that I last answered one of these 38 Bible reasons Jesus is not God, as kindly provided by Ayigbe Eseme for consideration. Here at last is my answer for reason 15,

 

15- Jesus told his real mission was to preach not sacrifice Mark 1:38)

 

Mar 1:38 And he said unto them, Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also: for therefore came I forth.

 

To derive from this text of Scripture that the only mission of Jesus was to preach, and not sacrifice Himself for our sins, is to draw inferences from this passage that are not warranted when we consult more statements on this subject in the New Testament.

 

Such a statement, given as reason 15, violates the rules of Bible interpretation, specifically the rule that when determining what the Bible teaches about any subject it mentions, we must consider all that the Bible says about the subject.

 

The answer to the question, “Why did Jesus come?” is answered in part by Luke 19:10,

 

Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

 

Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

 

Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

 

Reason 15 violates another important Rule of Interpretation, the rule which tells us we must not “cherry-pick” the evidence, but must include any evidence bearing on the subject at hand, especially evidence that contradicts our position.

 

In this case, to suggest that the Bible teaches that Jesus came to preach, but not sacrifice, based upon Mark 1:38, is mistaken because this conclusion goes beyond the scope of the context it is cited from in the Gospel of Mark. The same mistake is made when Muslim interpreters try to use Matthew 15:24 to suggest Jesus came only to minister to the “lost sheep of Israel,” which is only asserted by the Bible to be the purpose of that specific mission of the 70 on that one occasion.

 

To suggest that Jesus came only to preach, and not sacrifice, an assertion drawn from Mark 1:38, is mistaken because other passages, including Matthew 20:28, tell us that Jesus came “to give his life a ransom for many.” There are many more passages in the Bible that confirm this stated purpose of Jesus Christ, including John 1:29,

 

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

 

See also:

 

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 

Joh 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

Joh 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

 

Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Gal 1:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

 

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

 

1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

 

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

 

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

 

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

I have given you a representative sampling of the Bible cross references I have collected for Matthew 20:28 on this subject to show you that from Matthew to Revelation, the New Testament from beginning to end testifies to the historical fact that Jesus came to become a sacrifice for our sins on the cross.

 

This evidence proves that reason 15 cannot be substantiated from the Bible, and is therefore mistaken.

16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice (Matthew 9:13)

 

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

This is the response Jesus gave to the Pharisees who disapproved of how Jesus was able to keep company with people they frowned upon and were prejudiced against:

 

Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

 

They thought Jesus should not eat with such people as publicans (tax collectors) and sinners.

 

Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

Jesus let the Pharisees know that they needed to get a better grasp of what the Bible teaches. He directed them to the verse from the Old Testament that He quoted in part from Hosea 6:6,

 

Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

 

The Pharisees were lacking in their knowledge of God because their knowledge and understanding of the Bible was flawed.

 

So, for anyone or for any church or religion to deny that Jesus came to give Himself as a sacrifice for our sins is equally lacking both in knowledge of the Bible and in the knowledge of God.

 

Jesus must be a man or he could not die for our sins. But Jesus must be deity or God for His sacrifice to have standing with God and to be sufficient for all men for whom He died.

 

That is what the Bible teaches. If you don’t think the Bible teaches that, then you need to ask me some more questions about the Bible on this point and I will be more than happy to clarify this with more evidence from the Bible.

 

17- Jesus referred to himself as Servant: Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John 13:16

 

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

 

This text has no obvious connection with the idea that Jesus did or did not claim to be God. In the minds of some Muslims, apparently, the fact that Jesus repeatedly took the position of a servant means He could not possibly have ever claimed He was more than a man. This shows a willful disregard for and a willful disbelief in the full record of what is revealed in the New Testament about just Who Jesus is, and a lack of deep knowledge of what the Old Testament prophets predicted about the future Messiah.

 

Mat 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

 

The Jehovah Witnesses have totally misunderstood this verse. They stake their claim to be God’s only “good and faithful servant,” divinely authorized to correctly teach the truth of what the Bible says upon this verse. They claim they are the only organization God has authorized “to give them meat in due season.” It may be that some Muslims have been led astray from the truth of the Bible by giving heed to the doctrines of this false cult.

 

If we consider the context of Matthew 24:45, we learn that Jesus was speaking of the imminence of His Second Coming, for in Matthew 24:44 He said,

 

Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

 

The wise servant, Jesus tells us, lives in the expectation of the return of his master, just as believers in Christ should always live in a manner that would be pleasing to Jesus Christ, and not be caught by surprise at His sudden return to be found doing what before the presence of Jesus Christ would be very embarrassing.

 

Nothing in this text at Matthew 24:45 has anything to do with the issue of whether Jesus Christ possesses true Deity.

 

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

 

Matthew 12:18 is a citation of Messianic Prophecy from Isaiah 41:8 and Isaiah 42:1. Notice that this Messianic Prophecy which was fulfilled by our Lord Jesus Christ, as specifically declared in Matthew 12:17, presents Jesus Christ as God’s servant, in Whom God declares He is well pleased, as stated in Matthew 3:17,

 

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

This is. “This is my beloved son” was the Divine formula of anointing Messiah for the office of Prophet (Mat 3:17); also for that of Priest (Mat 17:5); and “Thou art My Son” for that of King (Psa 2:7, Act 13:33, Heb 1:5; Heb 5:5).

 

This corollary passage PROVES that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, for God Himself says so. To deny this is to deny the very words of God Himself, and shows that those who do so have no proper relationship to Him because they are in flagrant unbelief.

 

A bit more about Matthew 12:18.

 

Behold. From the Hebrew direct; but the last clause differs, because the Holy Spirit is recording the act of fulfillment, and varying it by way of Divine comment (CB). Note: This prophecy is expressly referred to the Messiah by the Targumist, who renders, “Behold my servant the Messiah,” etc. ha audi mesheecha; and it was amply fulfilled in the gentle, lowly, condescending, and beneficent nature of Christ’s miracles and personal ministry, his perseverance in the midst of opposition, without engaging in contentious disputation, and his kind and tender dealing with weak and tempted believers. >Isa 42:1-4.

 

The FACT that Isaiah 42:1 is applied as a Messianic Prophecy to Jesus Christ demonstrates that His ministry is not restricted to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” but that His ministry extends to the Gentiles. This directly refutes the false claim of Muslims that Jesus came only for the Jews, a claim based upon their misinterpretation of Matthew 15:24. Muslims hang on to this mistaken interpretation in order to justify their false claim that Mohammed was the promised Prophet to succeed Jesus Christ who would minister to the Gentiles, since, according to them, Jesus did not.

 

Lastly, as for John 13:16,

 

Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

 

This text cannot legitimately be used to suggest that since Jesus is only a servant, He cannot be anything more than a man and a prophet.

 

Jesus had just given an example of His humility and willingness to serve others in even a very menial task, washing the disciples’ feet.

 

Jesus was, after all, their Lord and Master.

 

By divine revelation given to Paul to communicate to us, the fact that Jesus Christ was truly a servant is applied in Philippians 2:5-11,

 

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

Notice carefully that God in His inspired Word comes to a conclusion directly opposite to the conclusion that Muslims do.

 

18- Jesus referred to himself as Prophet:

 

Matthew 8:20 13:16, 21:11, Mark 6:15, 6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John 13:17, 7:16, 6:14, 7:40

 

Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

 

the Son of man. He Who has dominion in the earth (CB). The title “Son of Man” occurs here first in the New Testament, where it is only applied to Christ; and always by himself and in the Gospels, with one exception—Act_7:56, It is the title of his human nature, as is the corresponding title, “Son of God,” of his divine; and may be observed to be the name he takes when speaking of himself as acting in connection with earth, as the latter is the name which more immediately connects him with heaven. Accordingly he not only designates himself the Son of Man in those passages which speak of his sufferings and humiliation; as here, and Mat 17:23; Mat 20:18-19; Mat 26:24, Joh 3:14, etc. but also, it is remarkable, in those which speak of his Second Advent and mediatorial reign on earth, as in Mat 16:27-28; Mat 24:27; Mat 24:30; Mat 24:37; Mat 24:39; Mat 24:44; Mat 25:31, Mar 8:38, Luk 21:36, Joh 5:27. See also the prophecy of “The Son of Man” in Dan 7:13-14 (in reference to which no doubt, as the prophecy which expressly so names him, the title was taken by the Savior) where it is given him in this same connection; and compare Psalms 8 all, and Psa 80:17 (De Burgh).

 

The point our Muslim friends would make from this verse is unclear to me, for it does not appear to be connected with Jesus referring to Himself as Prophet. Nevertheless, since it deals with a topic which will appear later on the list of 38 Reasons Jesus Cannot be God, I present the documentation at this point of the significance of the title Son of Man.

 

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Mat 13:15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

 

Jesus speaks of many prophets and righteous men who have desired to see those things which his hearers were seeing, but they have not been given the privilege to see them, and to hear the things which they were hearing at his mouth, but were never privileged to hear these words of Messiah. But in the context here, Jesus does not include Himself among the rank of prophets which came before Him. In another place Jesus plainly said of Himself, “but a greater than Solomon is here” (Matthew 12:42; Luke 11:31).

 

Mat 21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

 

the prophet. Mat 21:46, Mar 6:15, Luk 7:16; Luk 7:39; Luk 9:8; Luk 9:19; Luk 13:33; Luk 24:19, Joh 1:21; Joh 1:25; Joh 4:19; +Joh 6:14; Joh 7:40-42; Joh 7:52; Joh 9:17, +Act 3:22; +Act 3:23; Act 7:37.

 

A careful study of the cross references I have furnished which shed light on the words “the prophet” will lead to a more complete understanding of Jesus as Messiah, predicted by Moses, and in that prediction called “that Prophet” which was to be like him.

 

John the Baptist, highly regarded by the people of his day as a prophet, was asked by the Jewish authorities, “Art thou that Prophet”? To this question he answered “No” (John 1:21). This title is properly applied to our Lord Jesus Christ, as the cross references I shared right above to Matthew 21:11 plainly show.

 

Some of the references given for Reason 18 are apparently transcribed wrong, so I will not discuss them. The point can be made that the Messiah was to be a Prophet, A Priest, and a King. Jesus Christ fully meets the qualifications to be truly each of these. None of these facts about Jesus Christ diminish the fact that Jesus is both human and divine at the same time, as is taught in the Bible, Old Testament and New.

 

19A- Jesus referred to himself as Son of Man:

 

Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2, Luke 9:22, John 5:27

 

Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

 

I have provided the following notes on the title “Son of man” in my recent work, published just last year, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury, at Matthew 8:20 where this title first occurs:

 

the Son of man. He Who has dominion in the earth (CB). The title “Son of Man” occurs here first in the New Testament, where it is only applied to Christ; and always by himself and in the Gospels, with one exception—Act 7:56, It is the title of his human nature, as is the corresponding title, “Son of God,” of his divine; and may be observed to be the name he takes when speaking of himself as acting in connection with earth, as the latter is the name which more immediately connects him with heaven. Accordingly he not only designates himself the Son of Man in those passages which speak of his sufferings and humiliation; as here, and Mat 17:23; Mat 20:18-19; Mat 26:24, Joh 3:14, etc. but also, it is remarkable, in those which speak of his Second Advent and mediatorial reign on earth, as in Mat 16:27-28; Mat 24:27; Mat 24:30; Mat 24:37; Mat 24:39; Mat 24:44; Mat 25:31, Mar 8:38, Luk 21:36, Joh 5:27. See also the prophecy of “The Son of Man” in Dan 7:13-14 (in reference to which no doubt, as the prophecy which expressly so names him, the title was taken by the Savior) where it is given him in this same connection; and compare Psalms 8 all, and Psa 80:17 (De Burgh).

 

There is much information compressed into this note, so it is worth your careful study. I suspect many Bible believing, Bible reading Christians are not aware of these details about the significance of this Messianic Title, The Son of Man.

 

Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

 

I do not understand the bearing of Matthew 5:9 upon the title “Son of Man” because it does not contain the term, nor is it found in the immediate context. It may be a mistaken reference.

 

Mat 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

 

Jesus uses the title “The Son of Man” in this very important prediction He made regarding His impending death upon the cross, that he would be raised again to physical life the third day after he was buried, for He predicted here that He would be resurrected from the dead.

 

These predictions were fulfilled to the letter. Those who deny that Jesus Christ ever died are very mistaken, for they directly contradict the repeated words of Jesus Christ. Those who deny that Jesus was bodily resurrected from the dead likewise deny the very words of Jesus Christ. Such persons or religions do not hold a correct view of Jesus Christ, and are actually antichrist, for no one can be in a right relationship with God who contradicts the very words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

 

Mat 26:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,

Mat 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

 

Notice Jesus Christ predicted when and that he would be betrayed, and he predicted the manner of His death: crucifixion. To say Jesus was not killed, to say Jesus did not die, to deny that Jesus was crucified, is to directly deny what Jesus Christ explicitly said and predicted. There is no basis one can properly claim to honor Jesus Christ when His words, His predictions, are denied and contradicted. Those who deny the words of Christ are unbelievers, and unless they repent and believe the words Jesus has spoken, will remain lost and spend eternity in hell. That is what the Bible teaches.

 

Luk 9:18 And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?

Luk 9:19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.

Luk 9:20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

 

Luk 9:21 And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing;

Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

 

Once again, Jesus Christ predicted His death and subsequent resurrection on the third day, and indeed referred to Himself as “The Son of Man.”

 

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

God the Father has given Jesus Christ the authority to execute the judgment of all men, and call them forth in resurrection for final judgment, and consign them to either heaven or hell, to experience for all eternity the resurrection of life if they are saved, or the resurrection of damnation if they are lost.

 

Surely, for Jesus Christ to have this power and authority He must be able to exercise omniscience, a power and divine attribute that only God can possess or exercise. Omniscience is one of the incommunicable attributes: it is an attribute which cannot be shared with or given to someone else for it can only be possessed by God. This PROVES, therefore, that Jesus Christ as the Son of Man is also in His divine nature also God.

 

19B-Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of God

 

To make this discussion both more balanced and complete, I have added Point 19B. Not to include a discussion of Jesus as the Son of God when we have discussed Jesus as the Son of Man is to violate the Rules of Bible Interpretation by leaving this closely related central subject out of the discussion.

 

Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

 

This is an instance of the appearance of the Son of God who protected Daniel’s three friends who had been cast into the fiery furnace.

 

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

 

The First Class Condition of “If” used here grammatically indicates that Satan had no doubt about Jesus truly being the Son of God.

 

Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

 

Note that the demons knew that Jesus Christ was truly the Son of God, and knew that He had the authority to “torment us before the time,” because Jesus had the authority to judge and send them to their final destination in the Lake of Fire. They, therefore, believed in the deity of Christ. Remember that James speaks of the fact that “the devils also believe and tremble” (James 2:19).

 

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

 

Under these circumstances, the disciples recognized that Jesus Christ is truly the Son of God, and they worshipped Him. What this context requires, when Jesus had just saved their lives from a terrific storm by calming the storm with a word, obeisance will not do as a proper translation here. Jesus Christ displayed the divine attributes of Omnipotence and Sovereignty, for He is in control of nature—once again demonstrating Jesus possesses yet another of the incommunicable attributes, PROVING His Deity.

 

Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

 

In court, at His trial, the high priest demanded that Jesus tell them whether he is the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus strongly affirmed that He was, indeed, and that hereafter He would be seen as the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, that is God, and that He would be seen coming in the clouds of heaven.

 

These are stupendous claims, and if true—and they are—then Jesus clearly possesses Deity, and is therefore God the Son.

 

Mat_27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

 

His enemies clearly knew that Jesus Christ claimed to be the Son of God, and taunted Him, saying that if He is the Son of God, come down from the cross. If you say Jesus Christ did not die on the cross, you’ve got quite a problem with this historical record and eye witness account, for how could the enemies of Christ in mockery suggest that he come down from the cross if He never was on the cross? And don’t suggest the foolishness that they punished and crucified the wrong man!

 

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

 

the Son of God. Note: Since they were Romans that said this, some think it evident that they meant to say that he was not only an innocent, but altogether a just man, as in Luke 23:47, But in fact that expression is explained by this; for, as Jesus was crucified by the Jews for saying that he was “the Son of God;” so if he were a righteous man, and unjustly condemned, he must be “the Son of God.” Some render, “a son of a god,” that is, according to the pagan notions, a hero, or demi-god, such as Hercules, Bacchus, etc. But in this, and in some other places, the article is omitted before uios, son, when it is used in the highest sense; and Bishop Middleton, on the Greek article, has shown, that theou uios, son of God, and uios tou theou, “the son of God,” are used without any exact discrimination. “The centurion,” as he observes, “could not fail to know the alleged blasphemy for which our Saviour suffered; and had he intended, in heathen phraseology, to express his admiration of our Saviour’s conduct, he would not have called our Saviour theou uios.”

 

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

begotten. Gr. monogenes, S# G3439, +Luke 7:12, lit. the only one of a family, unique of its kind. Monogenes, applied to Jesus, expresses the unique and eternal relationship of the Son to the Father. As firstborn does not mean born first (Col 1:15 note), neither does only begotten imply a begetting, birth, or origin in time. In His pre-existence, Jesus was always uniquely the Son of God (Psa 2:7, +*Isa 9:6, Heb 1:8). When used of Christ, only begotten speaks of “unoriginated relationship.” Only begotten “indicates that as the Son of God He was the sole representative of the Being and character of the One who sent Him” (Vine, Expository Dictionary, vol. 3, p. 140). It is a word picture which portrays the relationship of the Father to the Son in the terms of a Middle Eastern patriarchal family (**Gen 21:12; Gen 22:2; Gen 22:12; Gen 22:16, Heb 11:17). Isaac, termed Abraham’s only begotten son (Heb 11:17), though Abraham had a prior son Ishmael by Hagar (Gen 16:15) and later sons by Keturah (Gen 25:1-4, 1Ch 1:32-33), sustains a unique relationship to Abraham as the son of promise (Gal 4:23). The same picture, portrayed in parable (Mat 21:37), emphasizes the unique authority of Jesus as sent by the Father (John 20:21, 1Jn 4:9), and our responsibility to receive the truth declared by Him (John 1:14; Joh 1:18; Joh 3:18, Mat 17:5).

 

20- Jesus referred to himself as a Slave: John 13:16, Matthew 10:24

 

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. (KJV)

 

Mat 10:24 No pupil is better than his teacher, and no slave is better than his master. (Williams NT)

 

Mat 10:24 “A disciple is not greater than his teacher, nor a slave greater than his master. (NET Bible)

 

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his teacher, nor the bondman above his lord. (Darby)

 

I suspect that the issue in a Moslem’s mind might be the question, “If Jesus is a Slave, how could He be God or equal to God?”

 

With respect to our Lord Jesus Christ, the term “servant” or as sometimes translated, the term “slave” (though from a cultural perspective more accurately rendered “bondman,” as by the Darby translation), rendered by the KJV as “servant,” the point of the term “servant” is that it marks the voluntary subservience of our Lord Jesus Christ to the Father in His permanent relation to the Father. Thus, Jesus Christ is subordinate to the Father. But subordination does not mean not equal.

 

The classic passage in the Bible dealing with and applying the truth of this matter is found in Philippians 2:5-11,

 

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

Note that God Himself in Bible prophecy employed the term “servant” in reference to Jesus Christ, the Messiah, as cited at Matthew 12:18 (from Isaiah 42:1, which I discussed thoroughly elsewhere here to prove Jesus Christ was sent not only to the Jews but to the Gentiles),

 

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Mat 12:19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

Mat 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

Mat 12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
Missy Mercy responded: Nice! This is such valuable information.

Thank you and God Bless.

 

Ayigbe Eseme responded: Jerome Smith and Missy Mercy… The debate is interesting. You agree Jesus is subordinate to God. At the same time they are equal. You quoted from Matthew and Philippians and yet you are happy to say Jesus is God. Please bear with me, I once informed that the more you explain the more contradictions you exposed. The above quotations are bundle of contradictions. Can we kindly change the topic to qualities of a Holy Book. Jerome Smith responded: Changing the topic mid-stream is of course an acknowledgement of defeat in a debate. We don’t jump to another topic when the topic we introduced has not even been fully answered yet.

 

My above quotations are hardly a bundle of contradictions. They are only regarded as contradictions by those who refuse to truly consider the evidence and draw the conclusions that evidence requires. My quotations might contradict what Muslims believe, but if so, then that proves that on these points Muslims must be wrong.

 

But your suggestion indicates that you might have been taking the time and effort to read what I have been posting in answer to your challenge. It also may indicate that you understand enough of my presentation for it to make you uncomfortable with this topic and so would like to change it to another. But I am glad you have found this debate to be interesting! So have I. Missy Mercy responded: Ayigbe you underestimate Mr. Jerome Smith. He is not the type to begin an assignment and just quit. He will finish. Jerome Smith responded to explain more about the subordination of the Son. The subject of the subordination of the Son to the Father is not well understood by most Bible readers and even Bible translators. For a bit more insight into this important subject, see John 6:38,

 

Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

 

down from heaven. Joh 6:33, *+Joh 3:13; *+Joh 3:31, Eph 4:9.

not. The official subordination of Jesus to the Father does not imply inequality or inferiority (+*Joh 5:18; +*Joh 5:23; +*Joh 10:33; *Joh 17:5, Heb 1:2-3; Heb 1:6). T72. Joh 7:16; Joh 8:29; Joh 10:36; *Joh 12:49; *Joh 14:28; Joh 17:3; Joh 17:8, Rom 1:3-4, *1Co 3:23; +*1Co 11:3; **1Co 15:27; +*1Co 15:28 note.

 

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

himself be subject. or, subjected. The subordination (the Greek term means either subject or subordinate, so Daniel Waterland, Works, vol. 4, pp. 23, 24) of the Son to the Father is a voluntary though evidently permanent relationship which does not detract from or deny the equal deity of the Son, any more than the divine order of the submission of the wife to the husband (1Co 11:3) in the husband/wife relationship detracts from her essential equality and humanity, or implies her inferiority. The Companion Bible notes: It is the Father Who puts all enemies as a footstool for the feet of the Son. See Mat 22:44, But when this is done, the Son rises up, takes His great power and reigns (Rev 11:17), and putting His feet on the footstool, treads down all that exalts itself against God throughout His millennial reign (See Psa 18:37-50; Psa 60:12; Psa 101:8; Psa 145:20, Isa 63:3; Isa 63:6, Rev 19:15). 1Co 3:23; *1Co 11:3, +*Mat 10:32; *Mat 20:23, Joh 6:38 note. +*Joh 14:28, +*Tit 1:2.

 

We must go by what the Bible says, not by what another religion six or seven centuries later in its Holy Book has to say about the matter. We learn what the Bible says by reading the Bible. Since the Bible is not written in the form of a theological textbook, to learn what the Bible has to say about any subject we must search the Scriptures for the other passages found in the Bible that mention the subject of our current study. The result of that searching can be recorded in the form of what are called cross references. The true or correct interpretation of the Bible will properly fit and agree with what all the cross references taken together show or teach or prove.

 

21- Jesus referred to himself as a Student: Matthew 10:24

 

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. (KJV)

 

Mat 10:24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. (ESV)

 

Mat 10:24 Disciples are not better than their teacher, and slaves are not better than their master. (CEV)

 

Mat 10:24 No pupil is better than his teacher, and no slave is better than his master. (Williams)

 

I think it may be that whoever might originally have devised these 38 Reasons from the Bible why Jesus cannot be God or Lord may have been mistaken in selecting this topic and the associated verse as one of the reasons. Jesus Christ is not here called or referred to as a student. But even if He were, that would be no objection because when Jesus became a man and dwelt in human flesh, as a human being subject to the limitations characterized by being actually human, he did indeed have to learn just like we do.

 

Luk 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

 

A fact about our Lord Jesus Christ which is not understood or believed by Muslims is that by the Rule of Interpretation I have called “necessary inference,” we learn from the Bible that Jesus was one Person but He possessed two natures: (1) a human nature, and (2) a divine nature.

 

Do we find this stated in these exact words anywhere in the Bible? Of course not. This truth is gathered by comparing Scripture with Scripture, and by the rule of “necessary inference,” we arrive at this explanation and understanding of the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ as the best explanation to the set of facts found in the Bible.

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Are we to give Jesus the same worship we give to God?

Both the Muslims and the Jehovah Witnesses teach that Jesus is not to be worshipped.  The Bible states otherwise.  My response on the “Islam and Christianity Debate Group” this morning is presented below:

Muniru Adebambo Sir Jerome Smith, with due respect sir, Jesus was not worshipped, it was Obeisance that was done to Jesus. Not worship.
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Jerome Smith I have heard that same argument from the Jehovah Witnesses, a false cult, for many years. The argument is utterly false. So, Muniru Adebambo, you have brought up a very interesting issue. The only authority that can provide the correct answer is the Bible.

In Hebrews 1:5, 6 it is recorded that God commanded the angels to worship Jesus Christ,

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 

In the Old Testament, in Messianic Prophecy, we who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah, are commanded to worship Him,

Psalm 45:11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.

When Jesus calmed the severe storm while in a boat on the lake of Galilee with His disciples, they were utterly amazed, and very clearly worshipped Him in the highest sense of the word as evidenced by their recognition of Him as the Son of God,

Mat 14:32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. 
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

In other terms, not involving the specific word for “worship,” we who believe on the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, are commanded to honor the Son in the same manner as we honor the Father. If we fail to honor the Son, we do not honor the Father who sent him:

John 5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. (ESV)

The immediate context of John 5:23 presents some most striking claims made by Jesus Christ,

Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. 
Joh 5:20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. 
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. 
Joh 5:22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 
Joh 5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. 
Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. 
Joh 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 
Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 
Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. 
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 
Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. 

Certainly the command to honor the Son includes the concept that we are to worship Him, just as the idea of honoring the Father includes the concept we are to worship Him.

The disciple Thomas, who missed the initial meetings Jesus had with His disciples immediately after His bodily resurrection from the dead, did not believe their witness, but said he must see and physically handle the wounded hands and see the healed wound in His side for himself, or he would not believe. Thomas was present with the other disciples about a week later, when Jesus again came to them, and addressed Thomas directly concerning his doubts, and asked Thomas to handle and inspect his hands and his side. The immediate dismissal of the doubt Thomas had harbored, and his full expression of renewed faith as seen in the direct worship of the risen Jesus Christ, is remarkable, and is testimony which stands true for all time, directly identifying Jesus Christ as both Lord and God,

Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 

In Luke 24:51, 52 it is recorded that as Jesus was blessing the disciples gathered to or about Him immediately prior to the ascension of Jesus to heaven, the disciples worshipped Him,

Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 

It is clear from passages in the book of Revelation that Jesus Christ receives in heaven the same worship that the Father does as stated clearly in Revelation 5:11-13,

Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 
Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 
Rev 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Compare what is said in the Old Testament at Isaiah 45:23,

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 

with what is said of Jesus Christ in Philippians 2:10,

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 

This brief survey of the evidence in the Bible proves that Jesus Christ was worshipped, is worshipped, and shall forever be worshipped. Those who think otherwise are greatly mistaken, and if they persist in such unbelief and disobedience, will be excluded from heaven and the kingdom of God.

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