{"id":3614,"date":"2022-06-12T17:31:47","date_gmt":"2022-06-12T21:31:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.realbiblestudy.com\/?p=3614"},"modified":"2022-06-12T17:31:47","modified_gmt":"2022-06-12T21:31:47","slug":"my-answer-to-the-muslim-claim-jesus-is-not-lord-or-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.realbiblestudy.com\/?p=3614","title":{"rendered":"My answer to the Muslim claim Jesus is not Lord or God"},"content":{"rendered":"<\/fb:like>

The Muslim Claim:<\/strong><\/p>\n

what your Bible teaches about Jesus?<\/p>\n

1-Jesus was born<\/p>\n

As we all know, Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, and so this clearly shows Jesus cannot be God as being born means he was created and not eternal. God is eternal, He is forever, He always is, and He did not come into being or into existence.<\/p>\n

2- Jesus died<\/p>\n

According to the gospels and Christianity, Jesus died, and this once again proves that he cannot be God, for God is eternal and does not die. God cannot die, to die is something for finite limited created beings, but God is obviously above that.<\/p>\n

3-Jesus was not all knowing<\/p>\n

In the gospels we learn that Jesus was not all knowing, he had limited knowledge, and this again show he cannot be God as God is perfect in knowledge and knows everything.<\/p>\n

According to the Bible, Jesus did not know when the last hour would come:<\/p>\n

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Matthew 24:36)<\/p>\n

Elsewhere in the Bible we read that Jesus grew in wisdom, and learned about right and wrong as he got older, can you imagine that? God having to learn about good and bad?<\/p>\n

And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. (Luke 2:52)<\/p>\n

4- Jesus was a man<\/p>\n

As we all know, Jesus was a man, and to put it simply, God is not a man. The fact that Jesus was a man proves he is not God. Being a man as we all know also comes with limitations, such as needing to eat, needing to sleep, and so on. God is obviously above all of that, He is all-powerful, and hence He does not need to eat or sleep. God is not in need of anything, while man is obviously in need of a lot. In the Bible we read about Jesus being hungry, can you imagine that, God, who created food, getting hungry?<\/p>\n

5- Jesus had a God<\/p>\n

This is probably the most ironic point, but Jesus who is supposedly God, had a God. In the Bible we see Jesus talking about having a God, and praying to God, so was he praying to himself?<\/p>\n

Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her. (John 20:16-18)<\/p>\n

So Jesus as we read above, has a God. Not only does Jesus have a God, but he also prays to God:<\/p>\n

Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” (Matthew 26:39)<\/p>\n

So if Jesus is God, why is he praying to God to relieve him of his distress? Does that make any rational sense?<\/p>\n

6- Jesus never said he was God<\/p>\n

Now if Jesus was God, then you\u2019d obviously expect him to say it right? You\u2019d expect Jesus to say \u201cI am God\u201d, or \u201cI am God worship me the one who created you\u201d or something similar along those lines.<\/p>\n

Yet when we read the Gospels, the supposed historical narratives of Jesus, they never once record him saying or calling himself God. Is it a coincidence that he never laid claim to being God? Of course not, the reason he never called himself God, is because he was not God.<\/p>\n

Conclusion:<\/p>\n

So we have given 6 clear reasons for why Jesus is not God, nobody can rationally or objectively look at these points and try to then reason that Jesus is God when we have such facts staring us right in the face.<\/p>\n

The evidence points to the obvious, Jesus was not God, but a man of God, and this is why the Bible itself says:<\/p>\n

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know (Acts 2:22)<\/p>\n

My Point by Point Answer:<\/strong><\/p>\n

The six points above demonstrate that whoever composed them does not understand how to read the Bible correctly.

“1-Jesus was born<\/strong><\/span>
As we all know, Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, and so this clearly shows Jesus cannot be God as being born means he was created and not eternal. God is eternal, He is forever, He always is, and He did not come into being or into existence.”<\/span>

Luk 1:31\u00a0 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.\u00a0<\/span>
Luk 1:32\u00a0 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:\u00a0<\/span>
Luk 1:33\u00a0 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.\u00a0<\/span>
Luk 1:34\u00a0 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?\u00a0<\/span>
Luk 1:35\u00a0 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.<\/span>

Mat 1:21\u00a0 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.<\/span>

Mat 1:23\u00a0 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.<\/span>

If Jesus is merely a man, explain how it is that “he shall save his people from their sins.”<\/span>

If Jesus is merely a man, explain how it is that he is called “God with us.”<\/span>

Jesus clearly declared that He existed before Abraham when He declared “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58), after declaring “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad” (John 8:56). Fully studying the implications of what Jesus said by reading the narrative account in Genesis absolutely identifies Jesus with the Angel of Jehovah, for in that context He is called both God and Jehovah.<\/span>

“2- Jesus died<\/strong><\/span>
According to the gospels and Christianity, Jesus died, and this once again proves that he cannot be God, for God is eternal and does not die. God cannot die, to die is something for finite limited created beings, but God is obviously above that.”<\/span>

Jesus became man with the intent that He would in His life perfectly fulfill the requirements of the Law of God (Matthew 5:17) to qualify as man as the perfect sacrifice for sin. If he were not a man, he could not die. If he were not God, the efficacy of his death would suffice only for a single man, but being divine, being God, his sacrifice is sufficient to atone for the sins of the whole human race–the whole world (1 John 2:2):<\/span>

Mat 5:17\u00a0 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.\u00a0<\/span>

1Jn 2:2 And He is Himself the atoning sacrifice for our sins; and not for ours alone, but also for the whole world. <\/span>

“3-Jesus was not all knowing<\/strong><\/span>
In the gospels we learn that Jesus was not all knowing, he had limited knowledge, and this again show he cannot be God as God is perfect in knowledge and knows everything.<\/span>
According to the Bible, Jesus did not know when the last hour would come:<\/span>
But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Matthew 24:36)<\/span>
Elsewhere in the Bible we read that Jesus grew in wisdom, and learned about right and wrong as he got older, can you imagine that? God having to learn about good and bad?<\/span>
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. (Luke 2:52)”<\/span>

In the Bible we also learn that Jesus is all-knowing:<\/span>

John 16:30\u00a0 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
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John 21:17\u00a0 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.<\/span>

Cross references to John 16:30 furnish many more passages where the Bible asserts the omniscience of our Lord Jesus Christ:<\/span>

thou knowest<\/strong>. +Joh 16:19, +Joh 1:48; +*Joh 2:24; +*Joh 2:25; Joh 4:29; Joh 6:61; Joh 6:64; +Joh 13:1; +Joh 13:11; +Joh 13:18; **Joh 21:15, 16, 17, %2Sa 14:20, 1Ki 8:39, +Mat 9:4; Mat 16:8, Mar 8:17, %Luk 7:39; Luk 9:47.<\/span>

As man at the time during which Jesus ministered to people on earth He spoke only what the Father commanded Him to speak, so He obediently chose not to know the timing of His return. Since Jesus was truly human, he naturally grew in wisdom as he grew older, as normal human beings do (Hebrews 4:15), but unlike any of us, Jesus was always without sin and remained sinless.<\/span>

“4- Jesus was a man<\/strong><\/span>
As we all know, Jesus was a man, and to put it simply, God is not a man. The fact that Jesus was a man proves he is not God. Being a man as we all know also comes with limitations, such as needing to eat, needing to sleep, and so on. God is obviously above all of that, He is all-powerful, and hence He does not need to eat or sleep. God is not in need of anything, while man is obviously in need of a lot. In the Bible we read about Jesus being hungry, can you imagine that, God, who created food, getting hungry?”<\/span>

I have already affirmed that Jesus was a man. The Bible teaches He is still a man (1 Timothy 2:5).<\/span>

Though not done so in this post, some appeal to Numbers 23:19 to assert that “God is not a man.”<\/span>

Num 23:19\u00a0 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?\u00a0<\/span>

The point of this verse is that unlike people, God never lies. He is affirming nothing about whether he is human or not. Jesus taught God is spirit (John 4:24) and so has no corporeality, though He may assume such in what are called theophanies, most of which in the Old Testament are actually Christophanies.<\/span>

“5- Jesus had a God<\/strong><\/span>
This is probably the most ironic point, but Jesus who is supposedly God, had a God. In the Bible we see Jesus talking about having a God, and praying to God, so was he praying to himself?<\/span>
Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her. (John 20:16-18)<\/span>
So Jesus as we read above, has a God. Not only does Jesus have a God, but he also prays to God:<\/span>
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” (Matthew 26:39)<\/span>
So if Jesus is God, why is he praying to God to relieve him of his distress? Does that make any rational sense?”<\/span>

As being truly man, Jesus acknowledged God as His Father. God was His Father in a unique sense because Jesus “came from the Father,” <\/span>

John 16:28\u00a0 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.<\/span>

Since Jesus came from the Father and is the Son of the Father, the Son and Father in this unique and special sense share the same divine nature, proving that in His divine nature Jesus is God.<\/span>

[Part two of my Internet comment:]<\/p>\n

I was not able to include a response to all six points of the opening post because my comment would have exceeded the character limit. So I continue my answer with point six and the conclusion (also shortened at the end because of the character limit again!):

“6- Jesus never said he was God<\/strong><\/span>
Now if Jesus was God, then you\u2019d obviously expect him to say it right? You\u2019d expect Jesus to say \u201cI am God\u201d, or \u201cI am God worship me the one who created you\u201d or something similar along those lines.<\/span>
Yet when we read the Gospels, the supposed historical narratives of Jesus, they never once record him saying or calling himself God. Is it a coincidence that he never laid claim to being God? Of course not, the reason he never called himself God, is because he was not God.”<\/span>

This is an example of the often repeated and previously refuted “exact word fallacy.”<\/span>

To argue that Jesus never said “I am God” does not mean He did not adequately demonstrate who He was and is:<\/span>

(1) Mark 2:1-12<\/span>

Mar 2:1\u00a0 And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house.\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:2\u00a0 And straightway many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door: and he preached the word unto them.\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:3\u00a0 And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four.\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:4\u00a0 And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay.\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:5\u00a0 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:6\u00a0 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:7\u00a0 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:8\u00a0 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:9\u00a0 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:10\u00a0 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:11\u00a0 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:12\u00a0 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.\u00a0<\/span>

Jesus expressly told the paralytic man, “Son, thy sins be forgiven thee” (Mark 2:5).<\/span>

The reaction in the minds of “certain of the scribes sitting there” (Mark 2:6) was to correctly ask,<\/span>

Mar 2:7\u00a0 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?\u00a0<\/span>

Now notice the omniscience of Jesus, for He immediately knew what they were thinking:<\/span>

Mar 2:8\u00a0 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?<\/span>

So, how was Jesus to prove to these scribes that He indeed had power on earth to forgive sins?<\/span>

Jesus performed an instantaneous miracle of healing:<\/span>

Mar 2:9\u00a0 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:10\u00a0 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:11\u00a0 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.\u00a0<\/span>
Mar 2:12\u00a0 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.\u00a0<\/span>

In the culture of that day the Jews also believed that only God could perform a miracle of healing. Jesus demonstrated He was God by healing the man in proof that He had forgiven the sins of the man who now was able before their eyes to pick up his bed and walk, something the man surely was unable to do before this miracle.<\/span>

(2) John 5:14-18<\/span>

We have in John 5:14-18 another case of Jesus healing a man and commanding that the man take up his bed and walk (John 5:8).<\/span>

Joh 5:14\u00a0 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 5:15\u00a0 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 5:16\u00a0 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 5:17\u00a0 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.\u00a0<\/span>

In response to the claim Jesus made, the Jews sought even more to kill Jesus not only because He had broken the sabbath but said “God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”<\/span>

Joh 5:18\u00a0 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.\u00a0<\/span>

Notice that Jesus did not correct or deny the conclusion the Jews made based upon what Jesus said.<\/span>

(3) John 20:24-29<\/span>

The case of Thomas, the disciple who doubted the testimonies of the other disciples who claimed they had seen the risen Christ, alive after His crucifixion by the bodily resurrection from the dead on the third day, gives firm evidence about Who they now knew Jesus to be:<\/span>

Joh 20:24\u00a0 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 20:25\u00a0 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 20:26\u00a0 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 20:27\u00a0 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 20:28\u00a0 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 20:29\u00a0 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.\u00a0<\/span>

Once again, notice Jesus did not correct or condemn Thomas for what Thomas said, but rather commended him.<\/span>

There is much more in the Bible that confirms that Jesus possessed two natures, a human nature and a divine nature. Jesus is presented in the Bible as being truly God and truly man.<\/span>

Immediately after this account of the testimony of Thomas, John declares the purpose of his book:<\/span>

Joh 20:30\u00a0 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:\u00a0<\/span>
Joh 20:31\u00a0 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.\u00a0<\/span>

Anyone who dares to contradict or not believe in this record that John has written, John declares such unbelief is equivalent to making God a liar, because such a person has not believed the record that God has given about His Son:<\/span>

1Jn 5:10\u00a0 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.\u00a0<\/span>
1Jn 5:11\u00a0 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
\n1Jn 5:12\u00a0 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
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