The Challenge:
“If God and Jesus are the same, having the same mind, knowledge and power, then why would Jesus beg himself in the garden of Gethsemane, to spare himself from having to be crucified? Furthermore, why would Jesus ask himself why he has forsaken himself by allowing himself to be crucified?
BIBLE Proofs please …”
My Answer:
And if I present Biblical proof, and explain it, Yousuph Olayeenka may likely reject what I would post because he does not agree with my explanation, claiming just give verses, not my explanation, please. Limiting me in that way denies me the freedom to present the truth.
The Opening Post says:
“If God and Jesus are the same, having the same mind, knowledge and power, then why would Jesus beg himself in the garden of Gethsemane, to spare himself from having to be crucified? Furthermore, why would Jesus ask himself why he has forsaken himself by allowing himself to be crucified?
BIBLE Proofs please …”
(1) God and Jesus are the same.
The same in what way? Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.”
They are NOT the same Person. They are the same in the divine nature.
(2) Then why did Jesus beg to be spared in the garden of Gethsemane?
Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
To understand the Bible you must consult all the evidence in the Bible that pertains to the verse, passage, or subject. Thus, Matthew 26:39 MUST be taken with Hebrews 12:2 and other relevant passages.
(3) Why did Jesus ask himself why He was being forsaken?
Psalms 22:1
1 To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
King James Version
Matthew 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
King James Version
Mark 15:34
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
King James Version
Matthew 27:46 is more accurately translated to read “My God! My God! Why did you leave me in this circumstance?” Lavender New Testament
God the Father did not forsake His Son on the cross.
2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
King James Version
I have presented, perhaps on this very site, a more complete explanation of this subject.
I have also posted the discussion on my own website: