The Nugget:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
My Comment:
John 1:29 is a key verse important to our understanding of just who Jesus is.
What I posted 39 weeks ago:
The Muslim Question: “If He (Jesus) is God, why did he cry unto God? Vividly, Jesus never said He is God.”
My Response:
I’ve answered this question before on this site, but I am happy to share my answer again with you.
Jesus on the Cross cried unto God. Jesus during His ministry cried unto God (see Hebrews 5:7). While here on earth Jesus was a man.
Careful study of all the evidence in the Bible will lead to the conclusion that the Lord Jesus Christ possessed two natures at the same time: He possessed a human nature, and He possessed a divine nature. In theology this is called the hypostatic union.
As to the claim you make that “Jesus never said He is God,” that does not at all prove that He was not God while on earth as a man.
If Jesus is not God, then why did His own disciples write in the New Testament in such a manner to clearly show that they believed that Jesus was God?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
The grammar of the Greek text of the New Testament at John 10:30 clearly declares the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ.
“I” (a singular pronoun) and the Father (a singular noun) connected by a plural verb in Greek, “are” (Greek, esmen), followed by a SINGULAR predicate adjective “one” (Greek, hen).
Jesus and the Father are distinct in Person, but One in essence and being and purpose. They are consubstantial, the very same substance or essential nature.
This declares and makes Jesus God. This means there is more than one person in the Godhead. We speak of the Father as the first person of the Godhead. We speak of His son Jesus Christ as the second person of the Godhead. We speak of the Holy Spirit as the third person of the Godhead.
The New Development on this Older Thread:
Today a Muslim posted a response to what I wrote 39 weeks ago, saying:
“Let’s agree for the sake of argument that Jesus was a man on earth. Now bring an evidence verse from Jesus’ mouth that he says he is God in heaven. A VERSE please. I don’t need your explanations please, only a verse from the Bible.”
My Latest Response:
Ali J. Tari, I do not agree to furnish only a verse from the Bible. The reason that I do not agree is that many readers are not able to correctly understand a verse given by itself. Readers often do not understand the Bible or any other work of written literature for they do not know the rules of interpretation that apply.
How’s this for an exact word fallacy?
The two verses that you claim say the same thing don’t say the same thing. In Rev 5:12 there is a Slain Lamb that RECEIVES POWER. The Lamb is being worshipped as one who has been given power. The Lamb also receives riches: 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing. [Rev 5:12 KJV]
In Revelation 7:10 and 11 there is a key distinction between The God and The Lamb, and only God is worshipped in Rev 7:12, and God does NOT RECEIVE POWER and RICHES, and also God is worshipped with THANKSGIVING which is NOT in Revelation 5. 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. [Rev 7:12 KJV]
Dear Brad,
Thank you for leaving a comment here.
I will have to come back and investigate your interesting claim more carefully.
Feel free to return and leave more comments. I appreciate comments that support a perspective that differs from mine as well as comments that agree with me.
I have looked at your comment more carefully on the larger screen available on the site itself.
Reading these two verses carefully, one would note that the term honor occurs in both of the seven-fold ascriptions:
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Notice the important reference to honor found in John 5:23,
John 5:23
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
King James Version
At Revelation 5:12 in my digital Bible study resource, The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury, I have placed the following explanatory notes:
power. or, the power. The remaining six (the whole being seven, the number for perfection and completeness) are all, as well as “power,” ranged under the one Greek article, to mark that they form one complete aggregate belonging to God and His co-equal, the Lamb. Compare Rev 7:12, where each of all seven has the article (JFB). Power, glory, and honour are mentioned in Rev 4:11 as being given to the God the Father (O Lord, i.e. Jehovah) as an act of worship (Rev 4:10). In this text, the Lamb, or Christ, is given power, glory, and honour in what must equally be understood as worship. Therefore, it is proper to worship the Son, even as it is proper to worship the Father, for here it has been shown that Father and Son receive the same worship. Rev 7:12; Rev 11:17, +*1Ch 29:11, 12, 13, Psa 62:11; Psa 145:11, Dan 2:37, Mat 6:13; Mat 28:9; Mat 28:18, **Joh 5:23, 1Co 1:24, %2Co 13:4, Eph 1:19, 1Pe 4:11.
and. FS148, Gen 8:22, The repeated “ands” in verses 12, 13 form a remarkable Polysyndeton. In Rev 5:12 the sevenfold ascription is noted (CB). Rev 4:11.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
and. FS148, Figure of speech Polysyndeton; or, Many Ands F/S 210: the repetition of the word “and” at the beginning of successive clauses. This figure asks us to unhurriedly stop and notice each point, weigh each matter, and consider each particular thus added and emphasized; there is never any climax at the end. This figure should be considered with its opposite, successive clauses not joined by and, FS41, Asyndeton or No Ands, +Gen 10:1,
This is what you say:
1.Q: “If He (Jesus) is God, why did he cry unto God?”
A:”While here on earth Jesus was a man.”
2.Q: “Vividly, Jesus never said He is God.”
A: “John 1:1 , Jesus said I am God, and John 10:30 Jesus said I am God.”
First answer is correct, I hope you understand it. Second answer is a lie.
Dear “smarter than you,”
To suggest that the answer to the second question you pose is a lie may indicate that you need to go back to the drawing board and restudy carefully what the Bible teaches about this interesting and important subject!
Thank you for commenting here. You are most welcome to add further comments and more evidence to support your viewpoint.